Super 32: Bishop Amat is the lone undefeated team in the Valley; Charter Oak-South Hills looking more dominant each week

Real Simple,
Now you're talking in a language I can understand. That is what I call positive thinking.

November 6.

Amat beats Crespi.

ND beats Loyola.
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November 13

Amat vs ND for League Championship at Keifer.

Crespi loses to Loyola

Amat 3-0
ND 2-1
Loyola 1-2
Crespi 0-3

Amat and Notre Dame represent the Serra league in Pac 5 playoffs. At Large bid Comes from Sunset, Trinity or Moore league.

COChargerfan said:

"Amat guys...now you're killing me with this what if we lose scenarios...just keep thinking about winning..."

I get your drift, but we bring it up for the same reason we argue about which team is better, who will beat who, so and so doesn't belong in league X, team A has better players than that team B, etc.

Ifs and what ifs and whatever. Two games left ,we win out we are in the drivers seat as the number 1 seed from the Serra and do not have to think about coin flips or any other senarios. All we need to focus on is winning this week against Crespi like we have been doing all season . Just focus on who we face this week and nothing else. It has brought great results so far so why change the menu and look ahead. Good luck to the Men in Blue tonight and bring home a victory. AMAT WILL SHINE TONIGHT.

Waaa... Be quiet and get back to the sidelines your son needs you.

Keep it Simple...sounds like your a bitter parent of a kid that hasn't got a sniff of the field. You really need to keep the sniveling to yourself. You are sounding pathetic and you are embarassing your son and family. Maybe you should move to yet another school...keep searching, your son is bound to get on the field. Have you ever thought of him turning out for Tennis or Golf. Maybe try getting him to be a rock star...Green Day?!!!

Tdrohan,
You are full of excuses, yet head to head this year you got shutout 21-0. In my book that is a lambasting. Andre holmes is a good player, but one player does not make a team. You keep making excuses about injuries, all teams have injuries this time of year. Bottom line Tdrohan, I don't have these conversations with any of the teams we lost to because we lost and Damien is into making any excuses. Amat beat us & I show them nothing but respect, same with CO, SJB,Rancho, & Chino Hills. Your problem is you got beat good against Damien & you think it is a fluke. It is chapping your ass because Damien vs Glendora is a rivalry game. You guys beat Chino Hills & you deserved to, but if you lost that way you would be making excuses. See at Damien we are not under any illusions that we are better than we are, we just know that if we play well we have a shot. Gano & his staff have been in playoff situations many times, that is why we as fans are excited about our future. That is why your record vs Damien means nothing to most Damien fans, because we have a staff that can help us win some big games, like shutting you out 21-0.

Tdrohan,
You are full of excuses, yet head to head this year you got shutout 21-0. In my book that is a lambasting. Andre holmes is a good player, but one player does not make a team. You keep making excuses about injuries, all teams have injuries this time of year. Bottom line Tdrohan, I don't have these conversations with any of the teams we lost to because we lost and Damien is into making any excuses. Amat beat us & I show them nothing but respect, same with CO, SJB,Rancho, & Chino Hills. Your problem is you got beat good against Damien & you think it is a fluke. It is chapping your ass because Damien vs Glendora is a rivalry game. You guys beat Chino Hills & you deserved to, but if you lost that way you would be making excuses. See at Damien we are not under any illusions that we are better than we are, we just know that if we play well we have a shot. Gano & his staff have been in playoff situations many times, that is why we as fans are excited about our future. That is why your record vs Damien means nothing to most Damien fans, because we have a staff that can help us win some big games, like shutting you out 21-0.

Tdorhan,
The Glendora football program is a joke. You have a good coach in coach P, the problem is the daddy daycare on the sidelines won’t let him coach.

You go to games… look at all the dads on the Glendora sidelines at all levels.
The dads need to be there to make sure to put their 2 cents into everything because their boys can’t fend for themselves. Not the boys fault it’s the way they were raised everything given nothing earned.

So keep telling your self how good Glendora is and keep underachieving on and off the field.

Amat guys...now you're killing me with this what if we lose scenarios...just keep thinking about winning. This is the year that Crespi and ND are ripe for the picking and then you get the Serra League title and a top seed.

Ya, just thinking here.

Right now Amat is 1-0
ND is also 1-0
Crespi is 0-1
Loyola is 0-1

So,

If Amat beats Crespi, and loses to ND we are 2-1 and are still in the playoffs right ?

In this case we would fall no lower than third place and maybe even a second place finish in the Serra league, but…

If we lose to Crespi and ND, and “if” Loyola also loses to ND, and then beats Crespi, we are all at 1-2, except for ND of course.

So, at this point we say coin flip and sitting on the sidelines at 8-2 is a 50/50 possibility unless....

Crespi can beat Loyola. However, if that doesn’t happen then.....

Can anyone in here say “wird up ??”

Damien will continue to keep winning? That is where you lose me. I'll say.. Congrats to Damien, they beat Glendora and all the credit to them. And CO certainly had a tough pre-season schedule, nobody doubts that.. What'd they do though? No doubt they got better as they went on, but lets look at the results...
They kept it close with Rancho which was obviously impressive.. They got absolutely lambasted by Bosco 40-7.. Their most impressive win came against a team with a combined 8-32 record over the past four seasons, two years removed from a 10-loss season.. The BA game was not as close as the score might indicate.. They played CO minus a plethera of key players including the best RB in the Valley, Adam Muema..
When you look at the Chino Hills game, you see the talent disparity really shining through.. Damien just doesn't have the dogs to compete with Chino Hills.. The victory over Glendora thus far is their lone achievement they can boast and that came with Glendora's three-year Varsity star Andre Holmes, their true "all everything" player.. Glendora had to deal with that loss early on in the game and clearly weren't given a fair shake to come out with a victory given the circumstance..

The most laughable part of your argument though is the notion Damien will continue to keep winning... That is considering the Spartans have won a grand total of six games in the past two seasons whereas Glendora has won two consecutive league titles, and look to make it three consecutive to close out its current stay in the Sierra league.. Damien has cause for excitement, but to diminish the achievements of their counterparts because of what amounts to only their second loss in the last six meetings between the two schools is simply snobbish..

Although in theory, 1 Serra team could be 3-0 and all 3 others could be 1-2. A 3 way coin flip would place someone in 4th - thus eliminating them from playoff contention... even if their overall record is better.

So you're right... just win out!

smallcitymc and tcbruin,

If Amat ot ND fiinish in 3rd it is a done deal. No way CIF puts a team with 4 losses over a team with 2 losses. And there is no scenario wher Edison, Fountain Valley, Mission Viejo, or Dana Hills finish with 2 or 3 losses and in 4th place.

If it is Crespi or Loyola you might have a Sunset team get in. But Esperanza lost to Santiago (who already has 5 losses) so it has to be Newport Harbor.

Any way you slice it Amat's already in.. although we can't think like that.

tcbruin,

IMO The Sunset league has a stronger chance of getting the at large

PAC5 berth. Esperanza, which is 4-4, has lost to teams with a combined

record of 25-8. Newport Harbor, which is also 4-4, has lost to teams with a

combined record of 29-3! Some are assuming that the third place finisher

in the Serra has all but locked up the at large berth. That is a mistake.

Amat needs to win 1 of the next 2 two games in order to make sure they make the playoffs. Otherwise, they may be watching the

playoffs in the stands.

Aaron and others, a big reason that divisions try and stay at least somewhat regional is because of budget issues when it comes to traveling. San Dimas and Northview shouldn't have to travel all the way to Morro Bay because so many districts are cutting their travel budgets

Aren't State Divisions determined by enrollment solely? If that's the case, what's your argument regarding DI in Southern Section and DI or II in State? Apples and oranges right? Also, I don't have to be a mind reader to know anything about your coach. YOU PLAY BUMS! ALWAYS HAVE AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL! LMAO!

COChargerfan,
I believe in Hags mind its time to just have a couple of SGV teams for pre league and get back to the Hart and Carson type and maybe the IE teams or some of the big bad OC boys like MD or Servite and such,hey you never know. As next year we do have one more league game so that cuts our pre league games from 7 to 6. I do recall seeing something Hags said to that effect. I am pretty sure the Damien game will be on next season if they want it but the other team or teams from the SGV is anyone's guess.One thing for sure we can all bet the house on is the fact that it won't be SH. Probably Joe AMAT can give us better input on this matter.

COChargerfan,

Appreciate the response.

Should have written: Amat MAY have openings on the since WC, DRanch, Damien 2 year contracts have expired. Whether new contracts are written with those schools is yet tbd.

For Amat, Damien is a should play. Whether GG wants more.....

WC, what is left to 'prove' by Amat playing them again.

DR, Roddy like to play the best, so it could happen.

So there s/b at least 1 opening on Amat's schedule next season. IF there is either SH OR CO should step up.

tcbruin...CO is losing the last of a special group of players so their window may have closed in terms of beating Amat. They will always have some talented kids in the system but I'm not sure that they have the number of players returning including the very skilled ones that it takes to win say next year. My guess is that CO would have like to have played Amat last year but whether they will play in the future…doubt it…the easy league wins are gone so why not try to win some pre-season games to get a winning attitude in your kid’s head? I get DR not playing Amat but why is Damien dropping? And, because of their proximity, the WC game always made sense...they are also dropping? Is Amat not willing to renew or are these schools opting out?

And please...unless you can prove that you're a mind reader, then you are blowing smoke out your rear-end by assuming to know what Big Lou is thinking or the discussions that take place between school administrators when CO’s schedule is set up.

Here are some more thoughts on CO never playing Pac-5 teams. In 2004, CO was knocked out of the second round of the D6 playoffs by Newport Harbor (score was 14-7) who was beat in the final by Orange Lutheran. In 2005, CO was again knocked out in the second round by Newport Harbor (28-7) who went on to win the D6 title…O’Lu was beat in the first round by Tustin. And, in the 2006 inaugural year of the Pac-5…O’Lu wins the title. The point is, O’Lu was a D6 team who moved into the Pac-5 (D1) and won the title over the perennial D1 schools…it happened folks…and then they won the State Title. And, Newport Harbor hasn’t won a title but they hold their own in the Pac-5 (wins over Loyola and Los Alamitos this year). So, before the Pac-5 was formed just 4 short years ago CO was already in the mix with some of the same teams. Did they beat them for a CIF title…NO…but they still played them competitively. So this never played a good team in 20 years stuff is total garbage.

FC, call me after 9pm tonite,....or i'll just see you out there fri nite...i'll be on sideline on the score board side...

COChargerfan,

I agree with what your saying, except for that there is alot of pac 5 schools that are D1 at the state level. The long Beach high schools have about 4600 kids each. Lakewood has another 4000 kids. So there are teams out there with larger populations than the IE.

Getting back to tcbruin,

I still dont understand what your trying to say, quoting you.

'My question: Has there been any 'discussion' about creating a PAC5 level league in the IE that would include REV, Corona Cent.[i.e. the strongest teams the IE has to offer]?"

Again PAC 5 level league does not exist, do you mean a league like Trinity or the Serra league with the best the Ie has to offer??? If so that will never happen. Why because we don't even have that in the leagues we have in CIF they have to spread the teams about you cant have the big dogs killing each other week in and week out. Thats whats playoffs are for. If your looking for a Division like the Pac 5 for playoffs, then you will have to merge the Inland, Central and some Eastern leagues to make a better Inland Division.

Pac 5 is the playoff division the Moore, Sunset, Serra, South Coast and Trinity league play in for CIF.

Hands down the IE has great football teams but the Pac 5 is just ridiculously loaded with talent. Thats why it is considered the toughest division in the NATION. The IE only has a handful of teams that can play with the teams that make it into the PAC 5 playoffs.

Tdrohan,
You have a right to your opinion, but Glendora played a softer schedule than Damien did. You guys got shutout on the varsity level & went o-4 vs Damien this year. I would love to see you again in the playoffs, but that probably won't happen. Look at your program top to bottom, you are in trouble. We Have seen Darien Johnson & Jay Anderson, along with CO" skill players. Glendora hasn't seen that kind of talent this year. So no matter what, you are gonna have to beat Damien on the field. So keep whining, & we will try to keep winning.

COChargerfan,

Do you think CO SHOULD schedule to play Amat in FB next season? Any season?

Amat is 'losing' WC, DRanch, Damien from the FB schedule so THERE will/should be openings on the Amat side.

COChargerfan,
Uh, no... Again, your "Coach" apparently doesn't think CO could COMPETE, let alone WIN against the Loyolas of the world because he wouldn't DARE TO SCHEDULE THEM! Heck, you didn't COMPETE with Amat in "Down Years" and your "Great Years" with big bad Will Harris. So save it you bum!

Not being mentioned is that most of the IE teams are D1 in the State Bowl while the Pac-5 teams are DII. And CO and SH are public schools with under 2,000 kids and they get a few but for the most part have limited recruiting ability. The IE schools are all around 3,000 kids…heck; Redlands East Valley has 3,600 kids. Is it really fair to compare SH and CO to these schools?

Hey “yaaaaaaawn”, Amat beat Rancho Cucamonga in 2006 when their record was 5-5 and 2007 with a 4-6 record and the scores indicate that the games weren’t blowouts (23-7 and 27-17)...RC did not qualify for the playoffs in either of these years. Amat did not play RC in 2008 when they went 13-0-1 and won the Central Division title…how in the world can you say RC wasn’t an elite team last year? And apparently you missed the Amat vs. Los Osos scores in 2007 and 2008…does that mean that Los Osos was an elite program and Amat wasn’t…your same logic in reverse. The reality is that ALL of these schools have fielded very good teams in some of the past couple of years and to say otherwise ignores the facts. Amat is consistently better but that doesn’t mean that some of these other teams weren’t in the elite category for one or more years. And explain how you’d rank SH higher than CO considering that their titles were at a lower level that CO’s? Interesting that you said that CO has “…not scheduled an elite program within the past 20 years” but they played BA in 2004 and 2005 so do you realize that this means you’re saying that BA isn’t an elite program? And, what is your point about the “Los Angeles” Times…because they pretty much never cover the SGV…doesn’t mean that the SGV doesn’t exist…does it? That’s why we read the Tribune for local news and sports.

Regarding CO’s schedule, they have settled in with some regular pre-season games with RC, Damien and Etiwanda…and seeing how these teams are doing how do you people continue to knock them? They might not be on par with the elite of the elite like Edison and Oaks Christian but they are certainly way above the average...which is exactly where CO falls. The CO fans aren’t saying that CO is on par year in and year out with the elites so why do the nay Sayers keep blasting them for not playing Pac-5 power teams? And, folks, last year CO played the Pac-5 Aliso Niguel so it is not like they have never faced a Pac-5 opponent. Ok, so they are the doormat of the Pac-5 but that’s the point, the really good non Pac-5 teams are much better than the bad Pac-5 teams. Besides, it takes two to tango so one of these teams must also have an opening the same week before they could schedule CO. It is not as easy as bloggers “wishing” for such a game.

And “please” if you’re going to quote me then be accurate my friend…I never mentioned St. Bonnie. And yes, the better CO teams could compete against Loyola and Alemany the same as a better Los Osos team competed against Amat. Read my words carefully…”competing” and “winning” are two different things…being able to compete is a function of having enough talent and winning is related to being able to consistently execute at a higher level than your opponent…the latter is why the games get played on the field and not “on paper.”

JA,

Appreciate the response. Makes sense, but there has to be a place in the strongest division[PAC5] for the strongest teams from the IE.

Can you address this:

The Sunset league MAY have an eye on the PAC5 at large berth. There are some pretty strong teams in that league. What about Loyola? Should they be counted out of the playoff picture just yet?

tdrohan
Your team lost to the Spartans so who cares if you think they are better. They didnt get it done on the field which is where it counts. One word for you. SCOREBOARD.

In the not to long ago, I stated that the CIF was more of a problem than an asset to many of these schools. Of course, when I said that, I was speaking strictly about kids being able to transfer to other schools without having to jump through all of theses stupid rules that never seem to apply in any other instance outside of prep sports.

Still, if we look at almost everything that has been mentioned so far on this thread, the one common thing that seems to pop up over and over is that there is never going to be a solution to the problem of getting the best teams together to decide who the real champion is.

Look, prep sports today is not what it was 50 years ago, so why do we continue to use the same model that has been used for so long when we all know that we need to find a better way to fix the problem than what currently exists here?

Because we all know that there are flaws in the current system, why then don’t people look at solutions instead of arguments in order to solve the problem. Let’s just think outside of the proverbial box for just a moment, and see if this idea would hold any water. Your thoughts are welcome here…..

What if…..

1.We were to create 3 divisions (just like we have right now) along with a division for small schools.
2.With those three divisions, we could eliminate the concept of “leagues”
3.Teams would have to play a schedule against teams only “within” their own divisions.
4.Every team would become playoff eligible biased “strictly” upon their won-lost record. Remember teams in this sinario can only play against teams in their own division, so even though teams may not play against the very same schools, they would nevertheless still have to schedule schools that was comparable in strength and skill, thus never allowing a school to back into a playoff spot by playing a cup cake schedule.
5.We would have a field of 16 teams (plus 4) in each division for the playoffs (a total of 20 teams). We would have them broken up into a field of 4 brackets, just like the NCAA does in basketball.
6.We could have those 4 top seeds in each bracket given a bye week as a reward for having scheduled the toughest of opponents during the course of the year. These top 4 teams would play in the second round of course.
7.In this way, we would have solved the dilemma of never being able to have including teams such as Oak Christian, Corona Centennial and any good “city” team into the playoff mix and we can also expand the playoffs to include teams that would not have otherwise never made it to the big dance.

Also, at the end of every year we could have a team from a lower division move up to the higher division and a team that had struggles during the course of the year moved down. In my opinion, this would allow for a solution to the current problem. What do you all think ?

SPARTAN DAD?
- Do you see Damien still beating Glendora 21-0 with a healthy Andre Holmes? Holmes is one of the best two-way players in the Valley and has been playing significant time since he was a sophomore including running all over Upland a few years ago in the playoffs.. Damien hasn't been a threat since Mendrun left town and they got handled 38-7 against Chino Hills.. I still say Pasquarella is the best coach Damien has had in a decade.. And give Glendora the oppurtunity to adjust to not having Andre? They go out and pull off the upset at Chino Hills.. Glendora is a good team and I still believe a better team than Damien.. On the other hand, I believe Chino Hills is the best team in the Sierra.. In any case, Glendora will be going for a third consecutive league title, shared or not.. All the respect in the world to Damien for beating GHS, but at the end of the day which team is better? I think Glendora probably is that team..

TC,

The Pac5 as a DIVISION are off the board when it comes to geography. They are going to put the 5 best leagues there regardless of proximity. A potential playoff trip from the farthest south team , San Clemente, to the farthest north team, Alemany, is quite a hike. That San Dimas to Morro Bay trip may have seemed outrageous, but I agree that is what can make the playoffs special. It's an experience to play teams from outside your region... and not the same kids you've been playing against since you were 8.

I've always thought that's one of the special things about a private school league. Ask any athlete 20 years after their career is over and they'll tell you they remember more about the bus rides and road trips than the individual games. It's great playing the best from other areas. Kind of like the local rec league vs playing travel ball. It's just a different experience.

What I was saying below is that the best teams in the IE are too spread out to put in one LEAGUE. REV, Redlands, Centennial, Vista Murietta, Chapparal, Great Oak, Norco, Rancho Verde, etc would make a heckuva strong D1-caliber league - but are all too spread out to put into one public school league.

Many feel that Glendora is getting screwed in releaguing because of an 18 mile drive. Vista Murietta/Chapparal/Great Oak to REV/Redlands is about 50 miles. They won't do that to any public school (Privates are a different cat-they'll send us anywhere!:?)

So the next best thing is what we have now. Enough schools that are competitive in the IE to create a real D2 division in that region that can compete in preleague and/or state bowls with the better Pac5 teams. Maybe someone can work their magic and put together a Pac5/Inland All Star game and see all the best on one field.

Joe Amat,

Are you writing that teams from the IE are further geographically than teams in South OC?

The Sunset league MAY have an eye on the PAC5 at large berth. There are some pretty strong teams in that league. What about Loyola? Should they be counted out of the playoff picture just yet?

My main focus is that some of those strong IE teams need to be placed in a league or 2(?) and the/those league(s) be placed at the PAC5 level/division.

I understand what you're saying Joe. But I was attributing to the fact that making divisions regional within the section although getting rid of some of bottom feeders it marginalized the several schools that had won the big division title in the section several times. I would say take the top eight teams if you don't want to just outright merge the two divisions and I wouldn't be surprised if three spots come out of what would be a top league in the division. Titles used to mean more when league's usually regardless of size had two spots for the playoffs.

Couple of years ago San Dimas played Morro Bay in a playoff game...that's how far travel should happen I think when it comes to the playoffs. I forget all the teams Bonita had to go through in 1999 but Troy and Brea Olinda, were two of them and now these teams are no longer in same division. Didn't they split the Southeast away from the old Southwest?

I hope and believe that as the bowl games continue that they will be expanded and one day we'll actually get this right when it comes to state titles later on. However Section titles in this state should still mean something.

SGV,
TC Bruin is right, there are no Pac 5 leagues in the inland empire.
Also the Inland division is not quite the equivalent of the pac 5. Its getting close but if you take the top 16 [playoff]teams from each division I think the pac 5 would be noticeably better. Teams like Corona Centenial, Vista Murrieta, REV, Norco, Chapparal and maybe a couple of others could compete well in the pac five but I don't think any of those teams would take the division this year. Last year maybe Corona Centennial might have had a shot but Poly and Tesoro would have a good argument too.
I think the point TC was making is that he would like to see the best from the Inland Div. playing the Pac 5 teams in the playoffs because currently they don't.

Aaron,

When talking about Divisions you need to take into account the quality of depth in the division and the top 16 teams (playoff entrants) and not just the top seeded teams.

The top four or five Inland teams can play with anybody. After that you have teams like Redlands (who Amat had their number in the playoffs for years when they were D1) , Great Oak (who barely edged Elsinore-and we know they only scored 15 against Diamond Ranch), and Murietta Valley (who got destroyed by Mission Viejo, and then a BIG drop off to teams that are actually more "Central-ish" than "Pac5 like".

Either Crespi/Notre Dame/Amat will be the Pac5 At -Large team... last one in. Compare them with the last team in schools like Carter, Yucaipa, Santiago or Vista Del Lago?

I think if you took the top teams from the Citrus Belt, Big VII, Southwestern, and Inland Valley and create a 6 team league they would definitely be able to move to the Pac5. But that geographically wouldn't work as a public school league (which tend to be FAR more geographical than Private School leagues - sorry Glendora). And what would you do with the Sunset or South Coast Leagues - which would have to move down.

The answer to the Inland Division is they get to go after those guys in the preseason (which the better ones do) and get a crack at them in the State Bowl game.

Bottom line is, considering the *top 16 teams - the Inland Division is right where they should be at Division 2... just a notch below Division 1... as it should be.

Far be it for me to get involved in someone else's fight, but SGV FOOTBALL, tcbruin is simply saying that the best TEAMS in the IE should become one LEAGUE and be placed in the Pac-5 DIVISION. I'm wondering how hard that is to understand. The Inland DIVISION is NOT the Pac-5. Would you agree?

Tcbruin

I think he means Serra league in the IE. The Pac-5 is a division not a league.

SGV Football,

the Inland is not actually considered the same level as the PAC-5 which is completely a travesty. They are considered DII whereas the PAC-5 is considered DI. But we know all of the top teams out there can compete against the best in the PAC-5 so seperating them makes absolutely no sense.

SGV FOOTBALL - his point was the LA Times did not even report on the CIF Championship game in the Southeast last season - hence - they ignored it.
If a team wins a championship and nobody reads about it...

SGV Football,

SOME on this blog have maintained that the IE area plays the 'best' football in So Cal and the football played in the SGV is inferior.

For years the Citrus BELT League was on/in the top level/DIVISION of CIF(i.e. Big 5, AAAA).

My question: Has there been any 'discussion' about creating a PAC5 level league in the IE that would include REV, Corona Cent.[i.e. the strongest teams the IE has to offer]?

tcbruin,

The Pac 5 version of IE would be the Inland Division. Why would they create another league when they already have a divison with the top teams of the IE already in the Inland division.

Unless your question is pointless, I think you have your answer.

I think what TCBRUIN is saying that either the Inland needs to be rated as Division I like the PAC-5 or the need for merging at least part of the Inland into the PAC-5 by adding the likes of the Citrus Belt and Big IIX Leagues. If anything when divisions went regional they negatively effected the Inland Empire teams and giving the PAC-5 the oh my god we're the best division in High School Football when it needs to larger. Divisions going regional made it harder for the state bowl system we have to really work. Making divisions section wide as they were just six years ago would improve it completely.

SGV FOOTBALL,

Well let me be CLEARER for you 'genius'.

For years the Citrus BELT League was on/in the top level/DIVISION of CIF(i.e. Big 5, AAAA).[Amat has played Redlands in CIF a few times].

My question: Has there been any 'discussion' about creating a PAC5 league in the IE that would include REV, Corona Cent.?

Does that make it simpler for you?

This is a well known pattern my fine fellows. Whenever a SGV team is having a good season or run, they always call for "Bishop Blood."

The last two years it is Charter Oak

The year before, it was South Hills

The year before, it was West Covina

The year before, it was Los Altos

Again, I've been following H.S. football for over 20 years. My opinions are based on such. This is nothing new. Moving up a division would not matter anyways because there is no difference between "Division 7" and "Division 4" The only gap that exists between "Divisions" is the Pac-5 and the rest. That's the reality. The rest of the elites are sprinkled over several conferences.

I would choose SH over WC because SH has more championships under their belt and have scheduled up recently. WC has indeed scheduled up but they have less championships. The same applys to CO. CO not only has less championships but they have not scheduled an elite program within the past 20 years. Rancho Cucamonga is not an elite program. They got smoked by BA twice.

SGV Football

What does today's #24 ranking have to do with the fact that the LA Times did not even print an article about CO's game w/ DR last year. The last time I checked, it was 2009. Explain that now???

RIIIIGHT,
Why would you pick SH to move up , only because of their recruiting ability. It sure can't be because of their playing ability. They can't get passed CO . The main problem I see is that most SGV teams do not see the type of elite teams you speak of week in and week out. It's one thing to schedule one or possibly two of them for pre league games but then on to league and maybe one or two teams are battling for the top spot. I just think CO would have the best shot at facing that type of talent every week. In AMAT'S case it is the other way around. We can't schedule local teams at the rate of 3 or 4 for pre league because when league starts we run into teams we are not ready for at all. This is no knock on local teams but the level is no where near what we face during league. The 08 CO team would have given us a run for it and they beat every other team they faced in valley . You also say you would choose a team that has at least faced a Mater Dei well my friend look no futher than down Cameron to WC they not only scheduled MD but then took on AMAT . You should choose them over SH. Plus I never said move up to the PAC 5 just move up to a stronger division .

I really am starting to believe that some of you guys on here are full of hot air and bullsh!t.

tcbruin- you make it too easy, If you were well informed you would know that CIF playoffs are not leagues they are DIVISIONS. Redlands East Valley is already in the same Division as Corona Centennial, Chaparral, Rancho Verde and Norco in the Inland DIVISION.

Moving on:

CO to be moved up? Riiiiiight! How about starting small...like playing and beating someone like Long said,

First off everyone on this blog even the BA fans will agree that the game everyone wants to see between SGV teams is CO vs BA. They dont want to see BA vs SH. They know who the next best team in the Valley is compared to them. (Yes I said BA is the real # 1 team in the Valley). All the teams you mentioned are great teams but we do not need to schedule them to be moved up a division. Its only the central were not talking the Pac 5 or Inland division. Yes South Hills, West Covina, Damien, and Diamond Ranch have scheduled good teams but what has that done for them. We all know that CO beat and will beat them all. In the past 8 years of this decade CO has been to CIF Championships 3 times and won it twice. This year will make it 9 years 4 trips to the ship and 3 championships this decade. Not to shabby for a this little school in Covina, CA. We all know it was time for CO to move up, obviously your too retarded to see what was right in front of you.

By the way if "The LA Times simply ignored Charter Oak's CIF championship last year" why are we still ranked among the best in southern California currently # 24 according to the LA Times??? Explain that now???

Well Alemany WILL be joining the Serra league next season.

For years the Citrus Valley League was on the top level of CIF. Has there been any 'discussion' about creating a PAC5 league in the IE that would include REV, Corona Cent.?

Please is too funny
I never thought of it that way! How long has Farrar been head coach at Charter Oak? How many Mater Deis and Long Beach Polys has he scheduled? You are absolutely right. Coach Farrar himself does not think he can play at a higher level. Do you blame him? I dont. Look at what Bishop did to Charte Oak last time. They made Farrar look like a bum.

I disagree with Charter Oak moving up. The fact is that CO has yet to schedule a Pac-5 elite (or similar football factory) much less beat one. Yes it is true that CO has had two great years at their level of play but within the last 5 years, Charter Oak has lost to West Covina,Los Altos, Upland, Glendora, Damien, and Bonita. Can anyone imagine St. Bonaventure or Redlands East Valley losing to any of these teams? lol No way.

The awful truth is that there are NO SGV teams that have consistantly tested their programs (and have been successfull) to warrant a "moving up." Omitting all games vs. BA, South Hills flirted with Esperanza and now Tesoro and have not won. West Covina played Mater Dei and lost twice. Diamond Ranch has been great at scheduling great programs but have also been smoked on all tries. And that's it. Los Altos, Charter Oak, Glendora, etc. have not even bothered to schedule up. Damien has consistantly scheduled up througout its history.Unfortunately for the Spartans, they have yet to beat an elite program as well.

The SGV has a horrible history vs. elite programs. I don't think any SGV team has proven themselves but if I HAD to choose a SGV team to move up it would a program that AT THE VERY LEAST has attempted a game vs. a team like Mater Dei. I think I would have to go with South Hills...but only because of Bogan's recruiting tactics which remind me of Los Alamitos. But even South Hills can't hold a candle to Redlands East Valley.

I've been following S. California football for over 20 years. Here are a few programs that I believe have earned a "moving up." Most of these deserve a shot playing in the formidable Pac-5 conference.

Oaks Christian
Corona Centennial
Alemany
St. Bonaventure
Hart
St. Francis
Redlands East Valley

Charter Oak does not belong on this list...nor does any other SGV program. It takes more than a couple of great seasons dominating the teams at your level to be considered a good enough to complete with the big boys. It takes years of not only doing this, but also BEATING Esperanza, Mater Dei, Redlands Easy Valley, Carson, etc.

South Hills, West Covina, Damien, and Diamond Ranch are at least now in the "slow lane" on the elite freeway. Charter Oak and everyone else have yet to find the onramp.

And yes, to the elites including Amat fans, Charter Oak's schedule has been "cupcake" both now and in the past. Charter Oak will continue to have this reputation until they schedule up. Everyone knows this, including the LA Times. The LA Times simply ignored Charter Oak's CIF championship last year. I cannot think of better evidence of "cupcakiness."

AMAT 73...next year some of these SH fans may get more than they wished for if you know what I mean. And, CO has some good players in the system but it will certainly be a weekly battle for them also…hopefully we can wrestle some of those Duarte transfers away from SH!!! Seriously, it is pretty hard to replace the guys that CO graduated last year and those that will graduate this year…together on last year’s team, they may have been the most complete and talented group that CO has ever had.

To tell you the truth, in football, CO has nothing to prove anymore against the Miramonte teams so it is time for them to move on…it is really too bad that Glendora didn’t stay in the Sierra with Chino Hills moving out…boy, that would have been a really good time for everyone in the entire SGV. Why is the CIF so ignorant?

Anyway, good luck Friday night.

COChargerfan,
You should be asking your coach that question:
"What makes you think we couldn't compete with or beat the St. Bonnies, Loyolas, and Alemanies of the world?" Apparently, according to your scheduling habits, HE DOESN'T THINK YOU COULD! LMAO... BUM!

kh

remember you were 6'2" 210 back in the TC days the little man at bhs is only 5'8" 165 who is stronger?

COChargerfan,
I agree with you on the fact that teams continually change due to graduation and so forth. My only take on this is where does SH fit into this argument. CO being in the topic is a no brainer as they have the titles and I truly believe they could hang at a much higher level if they were to move up . They as AMAT just seem to reload every year from the bottom up and by that I mean from the freshman and JV teams and not a whole lot of transfers. It is one thing to start with a school from the beginning if you are out of the area than to come in for your JR or SR year.Back to CO moving up which I think should happen and give the SGV more of a chance to run the table in all divisions ,levels or whatever they are known as. CO would fair much better than SH would if they moved up. Like I said CO defintely in the coversation but SH ,I just don't think so. As I have said hopefully the game gets on the schedule next season and played at a neutral site . It would be a sellout crowd.

Fred,

Did Pomona Ranch have to cancel their practice due to the fire?

ok although Sh & Co are constantly fairly good teams in their division every year, shouldnt a D1 schoosl like esperanza and Ba and so on run the table on these two schools every year? thats why their D1 right? however would be fun to see

last week...Amat haters need to get back in their hole. Since when does SH get mentioned in this conversation ever...it's been a CO and BA thing. Just remember, that South Hills is going nowhere in the South East because if they get the 3 seed they'll play Burbank before CO and get smashed. CO or Burbank this year fellas.

It is truly funny that this we’re better and we’re your daddy stuff continues to surface every few weeks…here’s the reality check…each season brings a new bunch of players so the scores from previous years are meaningless as a predictor of the present outcome if two teams were to met. And, a game contains plays, breaks, turnovers and penalties that affect the outcome that can’t be extrapolated to another game. And, there is also the problem of injuries to key players that further skew scores and game results (e.g. Rowland with and without Ball at QB). With that said, I don’t believe that there is a SGV team out there that really wants a piece of Amat this season.

Amat unquestionably plays in a much tougher league than CO and SH…which is why league titles for CO and SH are nice but not all that special for bragging rights and, instead, the only measure to argue that one of these schools has a great team is to win a CIF title. People get real…Amat doesn’t fear any of the SGV teams…why should they? And Amat guys, once in a while a special SGV team emerges that could beat Amat (e.g. see CO’s 2008 team). Does anyone believe that CO wouldn’t have loved to play Amat last year but contracts are signed a few years in advance so there was no way to make that happen and to sign in the future with the strength of your team being a question mark doesn’t work so well for schools like CO so they stay away from commitments.

SH, I’m really not sure if you have recently produced one of these special teams…wasn’t SH’s last title from 2005 and wasn’t that before you got bumped up a division or two? And SH fans, this is coming from someone whose kid graduated from SH in 2003 so I saw quite a few games in the 2000-2003 seasons, which included the 3 title games. So, I am a SH supporter but just don’t remember a team from the past 4-5 years that would have worked over Amat.

And Amat guys, your win over St. Bonnie was something special but what makes you so certain that CO, Damien, Etiwanda and/or Rancho Cucamonga could not compete with and even beat teams like Loyola and Alemany…and they would certainly beat St. Paul easily. My first point is that there is more parity between the good teams than some of you Amat guys believe and the difference between winning and losing is often the small stuff like a few great plays with consistent discipline and execution…look at the reasons behind your own team’s success this year before you respond with some contrary argument. And second, in hindsight, do you still believe that CO playing Damien, Etiwanda and Rancho Cucamonga is really the “cupcake” schedule that you keep spouting? Heck, Gardena has played pretty well but just can’t beat those good teams that they are in league with like Narbonne (who beat O’Lu) and Carson (who beat Mater Dei).

Spartan Dad is right that big plays matter and Amat has consistently made them throughout the season so for some of you to call them lucky is mistaken because when you get “lucky” over and over again than luck isn’t what’s happening.

Keep rolling SGV teams because CO vs. SH in the Southeast title game and Amat vs. Edison for the Pac-5 is what I’m looking forward to seeing.

HuskyDo - that Esperanza team that wouldn't come back to the district after beating South Hills in SHs best season ever - they went on to lose to Loyola in the finals- which was a team Amat BEAT earlier in the season.

Trohan,
You mean you look to go out and get a share of The Sierra league title, or did you forget about the 21-0 ass whoopin you got 2 weeks ago. I still remember our loss to Chino Hills, you just sound like your undefeated & unscored upon. Typical. By the way,I
would take Saenz at RB over any one Glendora could put out there. He is one of the top backs in the valley, but get's little recognition. I guarantee that Rancho & Amat know who he is.

Okay bishop amat is having great success thus far, but in no way are
they a team that can say they reign supreme over the Sh or Co squads. Just look at like opponents for the truth to it. Yes amat is in D1 but any given Friday amat would most likely tumble against so called lesser schools. I recall a D1 finalist Esperanza squad not wanting to ever return to the district. Now Fred in the words of the late great Marvin Gay "let's get it on" the schedules of course
=] oh and yes wc nothing special

Glendora looking to finish off a third consecutive Sierra league title and go out in style... Ayala game should be good considering how tight the Tartans have always played them, whether Ayala had a 1-win team or their best team in quite some time w/ Baca/Quiroga..

Three years ago, they beat a 1-win Ayala squad 31-28 on a last second TD pass by Garrett Crook..

Two years ago, they beat Ayala's best team in forever in a great undefeated tilt in Sierra league Week 4, 24-17.. That same Ayala team played Norco very tough in C.I.F...

Last season, it was another tight one with Glendora coming up big against Ayala giving them their only league loss again, 21-14... They split the title this time around..

Believe Glendora has the best Skill position players in the Sierra league.. They are weaker and more vulnerable in the trenches then they have been in quite some time..

Okay correct me if I'm wrong...the third best rb for BA is instantly the best player for SH over night and goes on to win POY?

Any questions?

RAAAAARRR!!!

The 2007 South Hills and Bishop Amat teams were very close in comparison. They had one common opponent in Rancho Cucamonga which they both routed by similar scores. However, one must also look at the stats and circumstances of both games. Standout SH QB Cameron Deen, only passed for 27 yards vs. RC. SH rushed for an amazing 288 yards (133 of these yards came from Bishop Amat tranfer Dorian Wells).

On the flipside, BA passed for 103 yards and rushed for 252 yards. The difference is that BA's starting and standout RB/DB Deshawn Gasie did not play. His injury was also felt on defense. Amat's backup RB Jessie Prieto did run for 164 yards. Head to head w/ a healthy Deshawn Gasie, I have to go with BA in a close one. He was an impact player on both sides of the ball and I doubt you will find anyone that will disagree with me. Futhermore, if you take away BA transfer Dorian Wells, the game would have been a BA blowout.

In regards to 2008, this is a whole different story. I will not go into statistics except 2... Bishop Amat destroyed West Covina 42-6 . This same West Covina team beat a mature South Hills squad 14-10. Only a complete fool would pick SH over a BA squad that not only dominated WC but also beat Orange Lutheran and Crespi that same year.

In regards to BA being afraid to schedule SH, that's complete nonsense. If BA is afraid to schedule anyone it would be teams like Corona Centennial, Orange Lutheran, or St. Bonaventure...lol. Let's be real ok? It is well known that BA is not afraid to schedule anyone let alone programs like South Hills. SH has a great history but the reality is they only schedule a Pac-5 powerhouse program every now and then. They also have yet to actually beat a Pac-5 powerhouse. What South Hills treats like a Superbowl every now and then is business as usual at Bishop Amat. Lets focus on reality ok? The reality is that BA has played these Pac-5 monsters for the past 30+ years. There is no "time off" for BA. There is no "BA has a weak schedule this year."

That is the difference my man. And that is were Amat Pride comes from. Trust me. BA takes no pride in defeating SGV teams. They do it out of necessity to separate and attract players. BA's main opponents are those that lurk outside of our home. You can ask any Amat fan you want. They will all tell you the same thing. And that is beating teams like Orange Lutheran, St. Bonaventure, Crespi, Loyola, etc. is the priority of our program. BA represents the San Gabriel Valley at the highest level in Southern California High School football. Let's all try to get on same team ok?

Damien did play Canyon Country in 05, just saying since there's talking of only Amat playing the big boys. Although Damien did lose and from what i remember a good game, but Canyon won State i believe that year or the year after. Just saying.

We will leave the heavy work to you then when you get bounced out of the playoffs like you do every year, then you can come watch US WIN A TITLE YOU CANT WIN. CO ROCKS BABY!!

RAAAAARRR!!! & Hmmm,

Keep throwing stuff against the wall hoping something sticks. Bogan has made no bones about not putting Amat on the schedule - so your 2006 fantasy never happened.

Here's the facts involved there, and we've gone over them before. You should have been taking notes. Amat had just come off destroying Charter Oak, Glendora, and Damien by a combined score of... altogether now... 96-16. Glendora and Damien didn't renew and Charter Oak asked out of their final year. This years scheduling saga was well documented. Amat asked, CO said no (for whatever reason) ... then figuratively hid behind Dominguez saying "let me at 'em... let me at 'em" when they couldn't get another game. The Huskies wanted no part of that either - trust me..

So in your little fantasy world, Amat was sooo afraid of South Hills that instead they replaced the 3 SGV teams and scheduled Hart (a CIF finalist), Carson (who went to the City semis) and Rancho Cucamonga, one of two teams to beat South Hills the year before... and then Amat went out and beat them.. and South Hills dropped to 6-6.

"...Could have gone either way..."? That sentence may just sum everything up, don't you think. In the two worst years in Amat history... a game against the powerful South Hills Huskies "could have gone either way!"

Classic!

You bums kill me! LOL. Just keep playing baby ball and we'll continue to laugh at you. We'd be on your side if you didn't pop off so much, you know? Every dad likes to see his children do well. And that's just what you bums are, OUR CHILDREN. So as such, it stands to reason that you play against other children. CO and SH remind me of the guys who go to the neighborhood elementaries and dunk on the 8' courts and SWEAR they got hops like Lebron James! LMAO... Like I said, leave the heavy work to us sons. SH, you should already know. You tried and got smacked around by a weak Tesoro team. BUT YOU WANT US? LOL... CHILD PLEASE!

would like to see amat bring home the gold,
who or what teams will they have to beat to get there?
am making the line at 35 points game bonita vs wilson bonita gets healthy and is going to start the second half of the season off right. then the next week where going to smoke little old walnut.this is were us playing tougher teams in the pre season is going to pay off,i think by the first cif game we might have both line backers and evan h back.thats three good defense players ,am telling you where going to win cif,. this yearits not that hard to do .just be heathly and score more points then the other team.see how easy it is..been there done it.1977 cif champs t.c.21 lywood 6

So Amat was scared to play CO this year and they were scared to play SH back in 06...

Amat Lancers,

Keep it going! Ur doing good... WC and DR are much better teams than CO and SH, lol

You seriously have to ignore these idiots who crawl out of their holes and say that Amat is lucky to be 8-0 and then spew all this crap that if we play AMAT or their schedule we could beat them too. First of all you whiners don't dare play teams like St. Bonnies, Loyolas, Alemany's, Crespi's, Notre Dame's....and if you did, you'd schedule Amat first and if you did that you already know what would happen to your team. Only an idiot would think that SH or CO can beat AMAT just because they beat teams like WC and Damien by close scores.

Hell AMAT can win PAC 5 Crown and you will still hear some idiot saying, OH WE COULD DO THAT TOO!!!

Out of all the fans that bark their smack, SH fans are the only ones that should shut the hellup. PLAY US FIRST AND THEN TALK.

Actually, Amat was offered a game contract by South Hills after the 2006 season and AMAT said NO! Basically, AMAT felt they had nothing to gain playing a lower division team...a lower division team that could possibly beat them that is!

In both 2007 and 2008 that game could have gone either way, so it was a wise decision by Amat I suppose...

All this talk for a team that hasnt won a championship since 96 and when other sgv teams have won 13 titles since? 8-0 and another loss in the playoffs and then we can talk about how we are " building a program".

HuskyDo,
Dub C will beat South Hills in playoffs, no worries on that.....:) Bad timing, bad game that night, but to say nothing special, come on bro....:P

Outstanding Job AZTECS! This is your third week in the row in being in the TOP TEN! That was more then last year, and it's all to Coach Scherf and his staff! Fred, your right about Coach Scherf, he continues to know when to pass, run against certain teams and it has completely turned the team around!

Fred thanks for putting up the (~BANNER)~

MONTVIEW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS, BACK TO BACK!

2009,2010.

AZTEC PRIDE!

Respectfully,
Whats all this talk about Amat being the best in the SGV when they havn't won squat. Can someone explain why a team that plays in a league they CAN'T win in, is so great. What purpose is there to play in a league or Div. (Pac5) you can't win.
Also Amat can't compare to any SGV school because most of their players don't live in Ghetto @#ss La Puente, most are recruits from other communities. Amat is in a class of it's own...so why compare. Why be in this blog if you guys are so above everyone else. I've never heard someone brag so much, while not winning anything. And don't bring up the past...1996 was a long time ago.

kh..."I'm BAD in the saddle"...that's what your ex said...lol

kh...tone it down...oh what the heck...I love reading your stuff!!
lunch is on me sometime...just to meet the real KENSTER!!!!!

math wiz
just checking to see if your paying attention.
280 lbs h.s line men. thats out of shape dude.if you every played football then you would know what a football coach would say in the locker room if your qb got stuck smoke out of the game on a clean hit . you must have a soft belly for the big guys, sorry to hurt your feeling ,really . noootttttt.its going to be a great week .thats right am bad in the saddle again.

Loyola played tuff, but give the Amat denfense some credit for stopping the cubs on a few of those drives. And St Bonnies did not out play the Lancers. No way- no how! Both games were even with each team having their ups and downs.
Amat deserves to be 8-0!!
I Witnessed it with my own eyes!

Honest,
First off on the scoreboard is where it counts no matter what kind of spin you want to put on it. Your statement of AMAT didn't dominate WC or Damien but pulled away in the second half. Would you say those opponents were worn out from the pounding in the first half. Yes we are not a big scoring offense as I have said many times. Our game is to wear you down and take over in the end. Yes we had a couple of high scores in the DR and slime game but those are not the norm. Don't know if you have been to one of our games but those Men in Blue hit hard on defense and pound it out on offense and that's where they wear them down. I'll tell you what by no means did Loyola out play us because if they had they would have scored on those drives and won the game but they ran into a brick wall they just could not knock down . They had a great game plan but as you put it we bend but we do not break and that is the mark of a very good football team. You finish your post with I am not fooled on how they got to 8-0. Please explain how exactly did we get to 8-0 if not for the working man's ethic on doing the best you can and putting the work in that needs to be done and then going out and getting the job done.There is a lot more talent out there than people care to give this team credit for believe me . The great coaching doesn't hurt us either in getting the job done.

Crespi's Washington trudges on with broken hand

Charles Washington, a starting defensive back for Crespi of Encino, is like a one-armed bandit after being fitted for a bee-hive sized soft cast because of a broken hand.

"Nothing is going to stop me from playing. I don't even feel it because I have so much adrenaline," Washington said.
Washington, a junior transfer from Leuzinger of Lawndale who began his prep career at national power Katy High in Katy, Tex., wore the
wrap for the first time Friday in a 23-21 loss at Notre Dame of Sherman Oaks.

On a pass play in the second half, Washingon was in good position but failed to catch what would have been an interception, though he
played well enough to remain in the game the entire night, as high-powered Notre Dame was held to its second-lowest point total of
the season.

"You've got to respect Charles. He's a tough kid," Crespi coach
Jeremiah Ross said.

Meanwhile, two seasons after advancing to the 2007 Pac-5 final while coming within a wisp of qualifying for a CIF State Bowl berth, Crespi
(4-4, 0-1) is in danger of not making the playoffs for the second consecutive year.

To qualify, the Celts probably have to win their final two games,beginning Friday at 7:30 p.m. against visiting Bishop Amat of La Puente (8-0, 1-0), ranked No. 14 in the state by Cal-Hi Sports. Only two of four Serra League teams qualify for the playoffs, and there is
one at-large berth to split between the entire division.

"Going back to last year, we've lost our last three league games by a total of four points," Ross said. "That's why execution is so
important in the Serra League."

I'll be honest - GO EAT YOUR SOUR GRAPES IN THE CORNER BY YOURSELF - LOSER! Every week some clown comes on here and posts, "well just wait til this week, so and so is gonna smack you around ...." I'm tired of listening to your GAS!
Amat has had to improve week by week just like everybody else. And everyweek they have found a way to win. charter choke (or you for that matter) should really stop putting their name in the same sentence with AMAT because it just doesn't belong! Play us and beat us then you can pop off, otherwise........ SHUT THE HELL UP BECAUSE YOU CANNOT AND COULD NOT COMPETE WITH LOYOLA OR ST BONNIES!!! YOU GET ROLLED IN BOTH THOSE GAMES! I can't take you clowns anymore! PLAY SOMEBODY THEN SPEW YOUR CRAP! It will make your arguement more credible - JERK! And SH I think it best that you just stay in the shadows where you've always been.
STEADFAST, LOYAL AND TRUE!!!!!!!

Let's be truthful, Bishop Amat beat St. Bonnie's and Loyola on the scoreboard, but St. Bonnie's and Loyola outplayed the Lancers in the football game, that's the reality of it. You give Amat a lot of credit for winning the games, but they took bend-don't-break to another level. That's what is interesting about this 8-0 start, they're over-achieving like a mother, which is why Amat didn't exactly dominate West Covina or Damien, they pulled away in the second half. Could South Hills or Charter Oak compete with St. Bonnie's or Loyola, yes they could compete. It doesn't mean they win, but they could compete and get lucky, the same way Amat did. If Amat had blown West Covina out like Mater Dei did that one year, then I would agree with you, but this by no means is a Bishop Amat juggernaut, this is a team that gets by on heart and guts, which I admire, but am in no way fooled by how they got to 8-0.

Coin Flip Decides,

That is exactly correct. If GHS, Damien and Chino Hills wins out it is a three way tie for the Sierra league title. We (GHS) had the same exact scenario play out last year, with us (GHS), Ayala and Chino Hills. We had to beat Ayala for this to occur last season and did so on their turf. We lost the coin flip and got the number three seed. Yes, that caravan out to Hemet was delightful. Especially, after we whopped their butts!

South Hills needs to schedule Amat or want to before they can "WHAT IF" vs. Amat. Damien played Amat & CO this year. We played Amat tough, but they made big plays when they had to. I felt we had a better chance to win against CO & that game went down to the final drive. They both are good, but you got to respect the Lancers for playing the schedule they do. Making one game comparisons is foolish, especially when SH plays some of the teams that they do. Next year is gonna be fun in league play with Damien, SH, CO, & Chino Hills all in the same league. SH is gonna have it alot tougher than they have had it in the past. Amat is definitely the Class of the SGV without question, unless you are one of "WOULDA, COULDA,SHOULDA DUDES!"

Check out this bad boy for Amat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm7DQP3MLUo

In recent years all the talk has been about CO vs Amat and who would win . How is it now that SH comes weaseling in on this topic. I have never seen them mentioned when the talk of who would beat who. Now as far as SH,first of all they would never schedule Amat and they have no business what so ever in the conversation . Both CO and Amat would put such a whipping on SH they might have to arrest someone for child abuse.
Maybe,
Here's one to answer truthfully if you dare. How do really think SH would come up against either St Bonnies or Loyola . Now be honest .

Hey kh,
I'm no Math wiz, but isn't 16 tackles in two games equal 8 tackles per game?

Maybe,
It sounds like you just don't have a clue about high school football. I don't care if c.o. and south hills formed one team, AMAT still beats them!!!

ON BLUE!!!

Actually after having seen Azusa play a few weeks ago, I would most defiantly agree with you Fred. The irony here is that while so many people agree that Amat is small as far as football teams go, they nevertheless also include the fact that Amat is a very skilled football team. As a result, no one expects to see anything less than a good team out of Kiefer every Friday night

However, I can honestly say the same thing about Azusa.

They are a lot better than most people give them credit for and they really showed that to me in the game that I saw them play in. The fact that the are 8-1 is no surprise to me, and I often wonder why a team like that isn’t ranked much higher than they are because, I can honestly say that Azusa could defiantly beat a lot of the teams ranked above them on this blog (except of course for Charter oak and Amat).

Good work Joe Scherf, you absolutely deserve to be right up there when it comes to recognition.

Maybe ... sounds convincing ... if you're drunk!

Blue come on Wc isn't anything special this year. I know you guys are a classic under dog, but ur recent victories haven't been against quality teams an injured Rowland and an over rated walnut. Wc is all smoke and mirrors one and done no offense. Although I truly hope you guys make
some noise before goin down. Hey knock off A top oc team

CO and SH both would beat Bishop Amat this year...

Fred,

It's ok to believe, with all those injuries WC had and how the game ended up v. Bishop... WC plays SH loaded and SH puts a beating on them, it makes you wonder... Comparisons, lol... CO and SH would take the game against Bishop, but I'm leaning towards CO to take the game over SH... Leaving CO as the best team in the valley this year... sounds convincing!

kh...that's average for any high school line backer, sorry! as far as out of shape fat ass linemen ...get a life...it's football...pick up your feet...doubt the coach say...hey you fat ass uncoordinated slob...go in the game and somehow use your unathletic body and rudimentary eye foot skills and break that stud's foot....lmao

ken...what are you doing?

remember the last time west covina had a few loses going into the payoffs??? CIF champs!

Also, all these coaches on the above teams are doing a good job and could all be coaches of the year, lets not forget that. Boils down to strength of schedule and how far in the playoffs. Also, Fred's bias toward week and neglected teams. (Montview/Valley Vista teams)

b.p you got owned by bonita.play in are league and you would be maybe 1-5.get over it.. where going to start rollin the dice now are captains back jack. hes going to put the hurt on some little h.s. football players .wont be surpraised if hes not the h.s. player of the week keep your eyes wide open offense.if not you might be watching the rest of the season from the side lines.ask san diegos qb carried off field. then they had one of there fat ass out of shape linemen step on k.c. foot and break it.well hes back not every looking to hurt anybody on purpose,but stick your ass and knock you out of the game every play we got good old mr.wilson then walnut and the season starts cif,, cant wait in two games he had 16 tackles 7.5 per game now am thinking 16 in one game has alot of sticking to do .thats all no more talking time for action go bearcats

If Ayala beat Gl ana CH they would both have 2 loses.And damien beat ayala so damien would be the winner.And ayala would be second with just one league lose.

If that scenarios plays out, it's absolutely true. If three teams finish in a tie for first, and head-to-head is even, coin flips determine the top three spots.

BP = Noise

Fred I'm not sure if this is true but some one told me if Ayala gets beat by both Chino Hills and Glendora then DHS, GHS and CHHS are all in a three way tie for first place. A coin flip will determine playoff rankings so Damien could place first, second or third going into the playoffs and could get a terrible seed. Does anyone know differently?

What can BP ever just shut up and play?? Always talking crap. Gets old BP!!!!!

Fred,

We been playing the night before SD. So its when ever we make a statement SD has to answer. Its all about the BRAVES! We look forward to kicking SD'sou know what!

Amat never knocks Charter Oak, they simply dont believe they would lose to them. Charter Oak is a great program and their record proves it.
Good luck Chargers!
Go Amat!
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