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As Confucius was fond of saying: Chicken eggs may be unpredictable, but always count your votes before 6:30 p.m.

This morning's paper will hit the stands and driveways of our beloved, cherished, print subscribers (you know, the one actually willing to invest in their democracy) with a shorter version Monday's council meeting story, which Trib City Editor Frank Girardot was able to post online in its entirety.

I also posted it here in full -- click the link to read the full post for more.

Councilwoman Jacque Robinson should get some advice from colleague Steve Madison on the whole telecommuting thing, as being sub-audible and static-charged doesn't translate into effective persuasion.

It's probably not a bold assertion to think Jacque was phoning in from the Washington Hilton in Washington D.C. Monday night for a daylong parade of top-tier Democratic presidential candidates at her employer's political action conference:

SEIU MEMBERS TO HOLD POLITICAL ACTION CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON Six leading candidates for president will address close to 2,000 of SEIU’s most politically active members at the Member Political Action Conference (MPAC) on Monday, September 17, 2007. Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger will present SEIU’s plan for electing a pro-worker president in 2008. On Tuesday, September 18, SEIU members will flood the Capitol and meet with their members of Congress on a range of issues, including nurse staffing, SCHIP funding, and the war in Iraq. Press access for the conference is as follows:

Monday, September 17 (please note this is a DRAFT schedule)
What: Presidential Candidates Address SEIU Political Action Conference
Where: Washington Hilton
1919 Connecticut Avenue NW

9:40 a.m. – 10:20 a.m., Senator Joe Biden
10:50 a.m. – 11:30 a.m., Senator Chris Dodd
1:10 p.m. – 1:40 p.m., Anna Burger, SEIU Secretary-Treasurer
1:40 p.m. – 2:20 p.m., Senator Barack Obama
2:40 p.m. – 3:20 p.m., Governor Bill Richardson
4:10 p.m. – 4:50 p.m., Senator Hillary Clinton
4:50 p.m. – 5:30 p.m., Senator John Edwards

And now for the news ...

By Kenneth Todd Ruiz
Staff Writer
PASADENA
— Framing the issue of youth violence as a "city-wide"
issue allowed the City Council to side-step discord over who should
preside over its action plan Monday night.

A quiet battle over who will lead City Hall's plan to address this
year's gang and interracial youth violence ended with Mayor Bill
Bogaard being selected unanimously to preside over an 11-member
committee comprised of community, education and spiritual leaders from
Pasadena and Altadena.
Just as there was competing interest in leading the effort, many
groups, advisory bodies, nonprofits and individuals have asked to be
added to the proposed solution.
"I hear the staff has received offer after offer after offer," Bogaard
said, adding the challenge was to "capture the strength and support"
of those offers without creating an unwieldly, bureaucratic hierarchy.
Stepping into his familiar role as peacemaker, the mayor was favored
by a council majority despite assertions from Councilwoman Jacque
Robinson that she should have that job.
Council members Jacque Robinson, Victor Gordo and Steve Madison will
serve on the Youth Development and Violence Prevention Committee,
along with a member of the Altadena Town Council, a representative of
Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich and trustees of
Pasadena Unified and Pasadena City College.
Pastor Jean Burch of Community Bible Church was a last-minute addition
to represent the disparate — and at times divisive — church community.
The committee will study ways "to reduce violence in the short term
and to develop sustainable community-wide policy and infrastructure to
maintain a safe community in the long term," according to a report
prepared by City Manager Cynthia Kurtz.
Madison and Gordo quickly offered to serve on the committee at the
outset of Monday night's debate, and Gordo was first to suggest
Bogaard serve as chair.
Gordo and Robinson have both sought leadership on the issue, with
Robinson pre-empting last week's initial discussion by announcing her
own wide-ranging action plan two days prior.
"I'd like to thank Mr. Madison and Mr. Gordo for volunteering to be on
the committee in the same breath I was going to volunteer to serve on
and chair the committee which originally came from a proposal I made,"
Robinson said Monday.
Several council members said they preferred a focused, specific scope
to a wide-ranging, generic plan, and did not support the freshman
legislator's bid to spearhead the effort.
"I'm looking for specifics," said Councilman Sid Tyler. "Can we not
state the purpose and objectives of this committee much more
precisely?"
Robinson countered the plan should remain "broad based" and wanted to
establish eight separate working groups to pursue goals in different
areas.
Participating by telephone from Washington D.C., she was at a
communications disadvantage and frequently difficult to hear and
understand during portions of the meeting.
Bogaard subtly brought debate over the committee's leadership to a
close by expressing his willingness to serve as its chair and
recounting a conversation with Robinson from earlier Monday.
"One question was I willing to serve, and my answer was of course I'd
be willing to serve," he said. "I was prepared to serve if there was
substantial council support for me to do so, and I read the motion
made and subsequent discussion to mean so."
The committee will sunset in six months after its first meeting in
early October, and will report back at least once a month.
Among the group's charges:
* Offer a clearer explanation of the causes to recent gang and
interracial violence.
* Build a map of existing services and programs offered by the city,
private agencies and the myriad nonprofits to limit redundancy and
identify holes in that grid.
* Hold community forums to discuss available services and seek input.
Reducing violence in the short-term — one of the group's stated goals
— could find support from nothing more dramatic than cooling
temperatures, the end of summer and reopening of the public schools.

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99 Comments

MA said:
Why even bother putting out a print paper?
Todd said:
It's not easy being the king of all media!
Anonymous said:
Humility is a virtue in a leader, especially a new one who people want to get to know. The city needs more people to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work, not to worry who gets credit for what. "I," "me" and "my" are not words that will help the city come together on this. Put egos aside, this is really a crisis.
Sick and tired of Todd said:
What is really your purpose in Pasadena?? You don't print the stories that matter but you will talk BS about stuff that you don't even know about.
rf g-r said:
The Mayor chairing the committee will give it a city wide scope. Begs the question of what the Mayor and council were doing prior to the "crisis". Along with the cooler weather let's not forget law enforcement. I was pleased to hear the chief say that the Pasadena PD was allocating more effort to rounding up fugitives.
Anonymous said:
I bet Jacque was using a city issued cell phone instead of a landline. She probably wanted to avoid fronting the long distance costs and mixing it in with her hotel bill paid for by her union masters. In any event, she sounded like the inexperienced imperious and arrogant Jacqueass she is. That is her official new nickname...JACQUEASS.
Sick and tired of Todd said:
So you mean to tell me you would setup an approval by the BLOG owner and you would screen comments and choose to post some BS by ANONYMOUS discrediting Jacque by calling her JACQUEASS..You call that being fair??
Sick and tired of Todd said:
Anonymous you are either a person that is upset because they cant be an elected official in Pasadena or anywhere else to be exact or just a true moron. I think you are actually a little bit of both..Once again..Please state the facts..According to the records and you can check this..Councilwoman Robinson was never issued a city issued phone..If you knew anything you would know that the same number she had during her election is the same as the one she has now.. ANONYMOUS your new official name is going to be DUMBFUK...
Dormitas said:
Bogaard was reluctantly drawn to serve and chair the committee. Where's the real leadership on this issue from him? Robinson argued from D.C. that she should be in charge, nice try at p.r. that was killed by Gordo who spent his time talking about work PUSD and PCC should be doing. Everybody else was wasting airtime. Are councilmember expenses public record? Do those get posted anywhere for the public to review? Anybody know?
Anonymous said:
So Jacqueass was using her personal cell phone instead of a landline. Her union masters probably didn't authorize her to make long distance phone calls on her hotel tab that they were paying so she was stuck trying to use her cell phone. I heard she was so panicked about being shoved aside as chair of the committee that she ran around looking for a better cell signal to the point that she was breathless and panting on the phone. Jacqueass...an arrogant, inexperienced fool.
Todd said:
Dear sick and tired of me -- As you may have noticed, I exercise no approval authority over comments on here. I've only deleted two of about 1,000 after deliberation ... and one of those was for language ... like the F-bomb you dropped above.
Anyone who is sick and tired of Todd is an idiot.
Sick and Tired of Todd said:
It looks like all you guys and girls have all the answers..Why arent you on the council or mayor?? Oh damn..you wasnt elected or loss rather.. This is nothing but a room full of jealous losers and a wanna be big time reporter..Im going to be much bigger than any of you and walk away from this conversation but dont be tripping when somebody taps you on the shoulder and the lights go out...
LOL. At least I ran for office. Jealous losers? More like awesome people. "Don't be tripping when somebody taps you on the shoulder and the lights go out..." You should become a professional wrestler. Nice promo. And I, for one, never insulted Jacque Robinson (in fact, I consider her an acquaintance and supported her 110% during her campaign!) - but it's only fair to point out when somebody messes up.
rf g-r said:
..Im going to be much bigger than any of you and walk away from this conversation but dont be tripping when somebody taps you on the shoulder and the lights go out... Nice. This raises the discussion to whole new level. You didn't happen to be at the Palace Station in Vegas last week did you?
We love Todd said:
Todd, everybody I know interested in city hall reads you first. I read your article carefully and do not know what set off that particular partisan. You should delete their last post as it seems a threat of violence and has no place here.
Sock on bloggers?
Karina said:
To "sick and tired of Todd": your grammar is incredible, not to mention your amazing metaphor.
Anonymous said:
Listen whore...you will walk away alright because just like Jacqueass you aren't qualified to be here. Maybe you should ask to be her field rep or get one of them good city jobs. It's interesting that you make threats of physical violence...just like Ebony "Gangbanger" Huel. Except that it was her lights that got turned off wasn't it?
Paul (that talker guy) said:
Some folks got no class at all! Paul - the real one, not the pretender(s)
Wow. This just underscores the importance of Councilperson Robinson's place on the Ad Hoc. She is an an asset to Pasadena, and it is a tailormade situation as evinced by a certain (target market rep)comments on this blog. The Good Witch of the North said of the Wicked Witch of the West that the ruby slippers must be veddy powerful or WWW wouldn't want them so badly. It's so obvious to me that Ms. Robinson is a force of good in our neighborhood.
Dave said:
Huh? Seconded. Robinson has been so unimpressive as compared to McAustin. How is she an asset to Pasadena? Just because you happen to be born in the neigborhood doesn't mean you are the best for the neighborhood. She is clueless. It took her 5 months to learn how to smile. She may have won that election but she was pretty damn lucky to do it. Leon, Henderson or Salazar would have been much better suited for entering that hornets nest. I sat in at last weeks Council meeting for 3+ hours and she looked bored, put off and clueless. Normally I agree with you Miss H but you're as clueless about Robinson as she is about Pasadena.
rf g-r said:
poppies poppies poppies
There's still a Mark Leon for Council sign up at a pool hall on N Lake & Washington. Dave - hit me up next time you're at City Council!
Dave said:
Will do Aaron. Maybe in a couple of weeks. Maybe Mark Leon kept the sign up for another run in 2011 though I don't think that we'll hear from those 3 guys anymore. Probably a one shot deal for the whole bunch of them.
McAustin? Huh? Poppies will make you sleep and so will she. Sleeeeeeep.
Mark Leon fact: He got a campaign donation from the chick who plays the mom on "Malcolm In The Middle". I liked him because he looked like John Oates from Hall & Oates.
Dave said:
Mark Leon was doing his dead on John Oates impression when he sang "Your a rich girl..." to that actress when he got her donation. What I could never figure out was how Mark Leon as the Chairman of the Planning Commission, a former TAC member and a graduate of Leadership Pasadena could only muster up 250+ votes for 4th place. I didn't make sense.
Anonymous said:
Jacqueass is a good one to have on the committee because a lot of the violence is being caused by black racists and Jacqueass is a black racist. Jacqueass chose to join an all-black sorority in college. During her campaign she claimed people should vote for her because she is black and she accepted, defended and encouraged Joe Hopkins' black racist attacks on her opponent. Because it's obvious she is completely unqualified, Jacqueass lost the White and Latino vote in her District by a big margin and won her seat only because over 80% of the blacks in the district voted for her based on her racist appeal. So yeah...Jacqueass certainly knows how to generate and benefit from black racism so presumably she knows how to keep the gangbangers she went to high school with from continuing to terrorize Latinos and commit race-based hate crimes. Jacqueass doesn't see anything wrong at all with black racism and didn't utter a word about violence until a 16 year old black female criminal was killed. She is simply using the violence as an excuse to try and create more social programs for Blacks and to seize control of whatever programs exist now so she can play African Queen.
Res ipsa loquitur regarding the toxic character of the above commenter. What a chickensh#t shot. I dare you to have a name, idiot! Why am I feeding the troll? It's not like me. Perhaps it's all these poppies, Auntie M. I thought the haters hated because of age, experience, or finance but it turns out its the same old racist recording playing over and over going nowhere. Excuse me, I've got to go reread Andre' Coleman's PW article again. It gives me hope. I bitterly resent the mention of the fine film staring the great Kate & Bogie in or around the context of this intensly stupid conversation. Filmbuff rebuffed.
Anonymous said:
typical....pointing out black racism...even if black racists are killing people...is considered racist itself by knee-jerk late 70's flower girls in Dolphins, Dittos and puka shells? Hang Ten shirts anyone? Why are black racists running amok in Pasadena terrorizing other races? Because white liberals are too chickensh&t to condemn it. Instead they predictably attack anyone who dares to point out black racism and criticize a 28 year-old law school drop out who has never had a real job, lives at home with her parents and treats anyone who isn't black like trash. But Miss Havisham is so totally gorgeous that I would gladly retract it all and donate money to Moveon.org just to see her absolutely fabulous smile.
Anonymous said:
Jacqueass never once denounced the racist character assasination job Joe Hopkins was doing on her white opponent who probably was the least racist of anyone running in District 1. Her entire campaign platform was that she was a product of the community. GREAT QUALIFICATIONS. She reminds me of the Peter Sellers character in the movie Being There. An empty suit. I wonder how her lone pre-election council supporter Victor Gordo feels now after Jacqueass punked him with her shortsighted hijacking of their supposedly joint youth initiative. A positive: someone finally taught her how to smile even if it's a phony one.
Anonymous said:
There is yet another story today in the PSN about yet another vicious hate crime perpetrated by the scummy black racists that Jacqueass spends so much time making excuses for. There have been over 80 of these attacks by black racists in Pasadena over the last 2 years that have been reported to the police and certainly hundreds more that were never reported. In this case these black racist scums attacked a man holding a 1 year old baby girl and all they got was probation. If they were whites attacking blacks they would have gotten 20 years in prison. Pasadena will be better off when these human pieces of black racist trash are finally driven out once and for all. ---------------------- Brittany Longnecker cried in court Wednesday describing how she felt when her former boyfriend, holding their 1-year-old daughter, fell to the ground after being hit in the face at Paseo Colorado on Christmas Day. "I didn't know if they hit my daughter and hurt her," said Longnecker, 18, of Santa Clarita, wiping her tears with a tissue. "I was just so scared." Michael Wiser, 21, of Van Nuys - who, like Longnecker, is half white and half Mexican American - was punched repeatedly on the right side of his face by 17-year-old Marcus Howze of Pasadena, an African American and an alleged Pasadena Denver Lanes gang member. At the time, Longnecker herself was being punched in the back and on the back of her head by six to eight African-American teenage girls, she said. "They were calling us wetbacks," she testified, describing what led up to the attack. "One girl pulled my hair and started pushing me." Wiser testified that the girls were calling him and Longnecker "(expletive) Mexicans," and flashing gang hand signs, as well as yelling "Pasadena Denver Lanes," a faction of the Bloods gang. Then, two African-American teenage boys approached Wiser, asking him where he was from, which Wiser recognized as an attempt to find out if he was in a gang. "I've been asked that many times," he said. "I laughed in their face. I said, `No I'm not a gang member."' The attack was similar to several that have occurred in Pasadena within the past two years and, more recently, at Paseo Colorado, testified Pasadena police Officer Jeremy Watties, an expert on local African-American gangs. "From the racial things being said, it's more specific to a trend with youth street crimes we've been seeing," he said. He added that teens in the community call the assaults, in which multiple African-American gang members have attacked Latinos, "Sock on Mexican," or "SOM" attacks. In the Christmas Day assault, Wiser said he fell to the ground on his knee but managed to hold onto his daughter, who was not injured. Both Wiser and Longnecker suffered swelling and bruising to their faces, but neither was taken to the hospital. "I was very upset because Marcus ... put my daughter's life in danger, because I could've fallen on my daughter," Wiser said. "I outweigh her by 150 pounds." Pasadena Superior Court Commissioner Robert Leventer, who presides over local juvenile cases, found Howze guilty of misdemeanor assault and battery against Wiser. He ruled that the attack was a hate crime and said he believed Howze is a gang member. Howze was also found guilty of assault by means of a force likely to produce great bodily injury against the toddler. Although Howze could have been sentenced to one year and four months in detention or youth camp, Leventer chose instead to give him probation. "You know why your mom is crying?" Leventer asked Howze as his mother, Danielle Maden, wiped tears from her eyes. "She doesn't want to see you in jail for the rest of your life." Howze's attorney Peter R. Navarro said Maden has kept her son "on a short leash" since the incident, which Watties - who has been in contact with the family - confirmed. "I think he learned a lesson this time," Maden told the judge.
Anonymous said:
Repeatedly punches a father holding a baby in the face and is thereby properly convicted of also assaulting the baby girl with "force likely to produce great bodily injury" and all this piece of black racist human garbage gets is probation. This is the type of evil human dirt that Jacqueass wants to throw money at. They shoot their own little 16 year old gang slut in the head and Jacqueass gets all weepy. But for a half-white half-latina couple and their baby? Jacqueass has nothing for them except contempt. And who is the chief landlord for the housing projects infested with Pasadena Denver Lanes? Rev. Jean Burch who is on the Ad Hoc violence committee. Hey I know lets put the crocodile tearing poor excuses for "mothers" of these black racist terrorists on the committee too so we can hear them say "he a good boy! HE A GOOD BOY!"
Anonymous said:
Repeatedly punches a father holding a baby in the face and is thereby properly convicted of also assaulting the baby girl with "force likely to produce great bodily injury" and all this piece of black racist human garbage gets is probation. This is the type of evil human dirt that Jacqueass wants to throw money at. They shoot their own little 16 year old gang slut in the head and Jacqueass gets all weepy. But for a half-white half-latina couple and their baby? Jacqueass has nothing for them except contempt. And who is the chief landlord for the housing projects infested with Pasadena Denver Lanes? Rev. Jean Burch who is on the Ad Hoc violence committee. Hey I know lets put the crocodile tearing poor excuses for "mothers" of these black racist terrorists on the committee too so we can hear them say "he a good boy! HE A GOOD BOY!"
Anonymous said:
Great couple of postings. It's the racist garbage that spews from the likes of Joe Hopkins and Jimmy Morris and the coddling that Jacqueass gives them that is at the root of all this racial division. Jacqueass didn't start the rhetoric but she doesn't condemn it either. How the hell did she ever get elected?
Anonymous said:
Jacqueass proudly claimed she was a Muir graduate and a "product of the community" during her campaign and she certainly is. A community full of arrogant worthless jobless drunk drug addled retarded violent black racists terrorizing whites and latinos. They all went to Muir just like Jacqueass did and Muir is a grotesque embarassment that should be bulldozed. Jacqueass wants to solve youth violence? She can take herself and the rest of her broke-ass homies back to South Central so decent people with the money to actually shop at the Paseo (as opposed to Jacqueasses fellow "community members" who just go there to steal and terrorize people) don't have to worry about their families being attacked on Christmas Day.
Anonymous said:
Jacqueass proudly claimed she was a Muir graduate and a "product of the community" during her campaign and she certainly is. A community full of arrogant worthless jobless drunk drug addled retarded violent black racists terrorizing whites and latinos. They all went to Muir just like Jacqueass did and Muir is a grotesque embarassment that should be bulldozed. Jacqueass wants to solve youth violence? She can take herself and the rest of her broke-ass homies back to South Central so decent people with the money to actually shop at the Paseo (as opposed to Jacqueasses fellow "community members" who just go there to steal and terrorize people) don't have to worry about their families being attacked on Christmas Day.
Todd said:
I should work somewhere onto every page something along the lines of "the comments reflect nothing more than the opinions and occasional pathologies of their various posters"
Jamaal said:
Leave Ms. Robinson alone. She will be better someday if you give her the respect that she earned in election. She was the only candidate who talked about improving the neighborhoods, job opportunities and a neighborhood cabinet. She had a plan and has more qualifications than all five of the losers together. She won by a landslide and had a mandate to rule. Give her a chance to learn how to do her job.
anonymous is scared to come forward said:
Why do you feel the need to try and bash her everyday? Do you hate blacks that bad? I Dont see where she is a black racist at all. Pasadena as a community needs to work together to make things better and not worse and all you are doing is making things worse. Todd i really think you need to find a way to put a stop to this name calling and show that you dont agree with this blog users opinion of ms robinson. You have the power to erase and block anyone in this blog. The star news wants everyone to think they arent racist but how can we think otherwise when you as a star news employee will allow this to continue. I wonder if all of the blacks and latinos decided to boycott the star news how long would it last? Better yet i think i will call today and see what the asking price is for the star news so I can run a business that people can be proud of to call their local newspaper. Now mr or ms anonymous why Dont you come forward and voice your opinion In person? Scared of what gang members or black racists might do to you ? Well you should be but you deserve anything that comes your way. I believe you speak off the top of your head without thinking? How do you know what kind of jobs she has had? How do you know what she does as far as housing?How do you know how much she has? Dont let her looks fool you. She may look bored or tired at times but regardless of what you say she is still the councilwoman.
Dave said:
She is lucky to have won and probably wouldn't have if not for the racist rhetoric her de facto campaign manager, Joe Hopkins, was throwing at her white opponent. That entire district 1 campaign and election was about racism. The sad irony is that her opponent who was getting a "character lynching" from Joe Hopkins every week was probably the Black Communities best hope for getting an open minded white council representative who could hopefully convince the other white councilmembers that immediate help is needed in the Northwest. No matter how you look at it or what side you are on, that election brought out the best and worst of people.
I don't get all the Robinson hate. And those racist comments above just make me sick.
The person posting those anti-Robinson comments is probably Gordon Treweek or some other person feasting on sour grapes.
Anonymous said:
Talking about the evil perpetrated by Pasadena's violent black racists isn't "sick". The reason it exists is because weak white liberals refuse to talk about it in honest and direct terms. "Oh no its not about attacking people holding infants on Christmas day...its about uhhhhhh...lack of job opportunities." These rotten to the core Black racists don't want jobs or a good education or anything else. They just want to be evil. They just want to see the world burn and Jacqueass was elected by them to make excuses for them and bully lilly livered whites and latinos into silence. Just look at Jacqueasses defenders above...they can't help threatening violence in their posts towards people that disagree with them because they know it generally works. If calling evil Black racists to account makes you sick then you are obviously part of the crowd that has enabled the situation to reach the point that it has with whites and latinos being terrorized and attacked in the streets and in the PUSD by the hundreds.
If I call my white sister a racist then that opens the door for her calling me a racist, too. We used to do that when we were 5. Then we grew up and found out what racism really is. Even though this discussion is depressing and painful, and some people need to remain anonymous in order to be honest in expression of their true feelings/pathology, I am grateful to have it here-relatively uncensored. It answers my question. There is a residual undercurrent of white supremacy, and a resentment of it in our town. The thing is, most sensible and reasonable people check that issue in themselves. They dive inside and try and change the brainwashing from within because they've learned that prejudicial thinking clouds the truth in anything-as it is, in the present.
Anonymous said:
and some people are so eager to prove they are more moral and more "evolved" that they simply refuse to acknowledge the problem of violent black racism and therefore are not only not useful in preventing it but are actually encouraging it through their own inaction and toleration of it. the idea that you are more worried about the fantasy of "white supremacy" than you are about violent black racists killing and beating hundreds of people in the streets is obscene. The only person I see posing and posturing to place herself in some sort of supreme moral position is you.
Self-improvement is always a good thing. And, that is all I have control over.
Anonymous said:
Control your self-loathing then. As long as you refuse to hold Black people to the same standards of behavior that you hold other people (including yourself) to then you are the thing you fear. You hesitate to condemn their violent racist behavior because you expect them to behave like animals.
marco said:
I remember reading in the PSN that Gordon Treweek was a convicted slum landlord. He said that his tenants (minority) were "misbehaving". That was his excuse for owning a dump.
"As long as you refuse to hold Black people to the same standards of behavior that you hold other people (including yourself) to then you are the thing you fear." I don't hold Black people to a different standard, and I fear people that seek and promote violent retribution. Where do people learn violent retribution as a means of solving or addressing this problem? One place is in jail. And, when you are in jail you are considered an animal. In jail, you meet others of like sentiment and rage to organize with-get empowered by. (and I am generalizing here to make a point) Similarly, the animal mentality is what binds groups like the KKK. But what you have done, Auntie M, is mix up positive black and white leadership with extremist groups. I am not doing that when I write about an undercurrent of white supremacy. That is a fact of history and of culture. It is something I am proud to say, we as a country have tried to rise above, and I hope we continue to do so. To live by example--attraction rather than promotion. I think we all want to help each other, we humans, underneath the skin.
I've defended Jacque and didn't result to threats of physical violence (which I agree, is pretty stupid). Yeah, Treweek had a scandal like..the week before the election. He then walked around town taking his signs down. That election seems like it was 3 million years ago. And, by the way, people who supported "the other guy" (Robin) should be HAPPY he didn't win in District 1. Could you imagine the nonsense that would be going on had Robin won?
marco said:
I think that had Robin won he would have crossed racial lines like no other politician has ever done in Pasadena. Look at his restaurant for Christs sake. He's at the farthest end of east Pasadena and he has more African-Americans on his staff than I've seen at any white owned restaurant anywhere in Pasadena. The little guy, Jean, has been there for 20 years and he's a manager. I've been eating there for 15 years and the guy is definately NOT what Joe Hopkins painted him to be. He probably would have been the only one who could have reached out to both sides of the community and started some kind of healing and rebuilding process. Don't cut that guy short like the myopic Joe Hopkins did. I hope he gives it another shot someday. BTW, his ribs are great.
I'm definitely not cutting him short.
And by nonsense, I mean how much crap he'd be getting from people. (My original comment was moderated)
marco said:
I would have to think that if the guy can put up with the crap you probably have to deal with in running a restaurant for 20+ years he would probably be able to deal with the political heat. He seemed to handle the crap he got from Joe Hopkins well. That was a damn tough district for him to run in for a first timer. I still think he would have been a much needed bridge builder who seems to have the street smarts to deal with all and anyone. If he had run in any other district he would have won. Maybe he'll run against Haderlein in his restaurants district.
Haderlein's gonna run for Mayor.
marco said:
God, if that is true, please help and pray for Pasadena.
WL said:
Mayor....You mean the recently replaced Chair of the Public Safety Cmmttee? Rewind: While the City Council, over 2 Monday mtgs., discussed public safety & how to best address Public Sfty, the Chair of the Pub Sfty Cmtee, Haderlein, remained silent...the City Council then set up a real Pub. Safety Commtee confirming that the City Council Pub.Sfty Cmmttee (& its chair, Haderlein) is irrelevant. Where was he?? Check out Aaron's blog, he was outside with Aaron Proctor posign for pictures with Aaron "in no hurry to return to the mtg." Mayor?? Talk to the people in his Dist. first... Have we brought the out of control drinking, gangbanging poodles under control..yet? No worry, Haderlein's on the job! oh yeah, Mr. haderleine next time say cheese...
Taking pictures with me > Public Safety committees. :-)
Dave said:
Wouldn't it be a complete change from the nepotism and good ol' boys network if some non-politician like a Richard Riordon, Mike Bloomberg of N.Y.C. or Bob Lanier of Houston, TX came out of the blue and knocked these fools out of politics. Someone with the money to run a hard campaign, the business smarts to run a fiscally sound city and the compassion to reach out to every demographic in Pasadena. WOW. I'd like to see someone of this fabric who would get rid of the malaise and replace it with motivation. I'd like to see someone who would feel just as comfortable having a lunch at Perry's Joint on Lincoln Ave as they would at the Parkway Grill. A Mayor of and for the people. That would really be something.
Anonymous said:
Start naming some names and let's get this ball rollin'
Anonymous said:
hOW DOES THE WHOLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST THING WORK? IF rOBINSON RECEIVED $$ FROM BAKEWELL FOR HER CAMPAIGN, ISNT SHE OUT OF THE DISCUSSION? NO CRIME THERE, ALL UP AND UP, AND NO CRIME AS IT WAS REPORTED BUT SHOULEDNT NEUTRAL PEOPLE BE AMAKING THE DECISIONS?
Anonymous.... said:
Conflict of interest works alot of different ways...Well Victor Gordo was the only member to support her so that means she can't vote on anything that he is trying to get passed?? Do people just sit and think about Jacque everyday?? You guys are riding her jock like a woman ride a man's d*ck. This is really beginning to get very old...Make a difference in Pasadena and stop worrying about what the next man or woman isn't doing. If you was doing so much in the city, instead of talking BS, then you wouldnt have to worry about what anybody on the council or in city government isn't already doing because you would already have it covered...
M.K.W said:
Jacqueline Robinson has so far shown that she is power hungry (dissed her lone supporter Gordo) and arrogant as she tried to hijack the chairmanship role in the Northwest outreach group before Gordo wisely suggested Mayor Bogaard. Bakewell supported and bankrolled her campaign so you know where she sits with him. She's on her way to becoming the female Isaac Richards of her time. And we could have had Rafael Henderson. Um um um um um.
Anonymous.... said:
Bankrolled?? Damn from my understanding it costs atleast 50,000 to do a campaign so if you want 500.00 bankrolling you have to be as dumb as anybody else that believes that.
Anonymous said:
Was it 500 dollars? Since you know so much. Is it true Bakewell cracked the neck of the last city staff person to stand up against him in his old project. One more questions. Bakewell gave a party at the Wrigly House for the city employee in charge of heritage square along with an introdcutory speech that sounded like he knew him well. Sounded like he was going to be his man in Pasadenas. what was there relationship in Los Angeles.
Anonymous.... said:
Bakewell ..dont know anything about him and what he does...You was speaking of Ms. Robinson..I cant speak for what the Bakewells has or will do..I was just responding to you question about the bankrolling you call yourself accusing them of doing for her campaign..Another sign of a person that is definately speaking of something they have no knowledge of so its best that they shut up instead of looking stupid and assuming..which is what you are doing..Just make a difference in your community and stop worrying about the other person..If people would work more and gossip less Pasadena would really be the Rose City that it claims to be.
Anonymous said:
Danny Bakewell Sr & Jr, Jacque Robinson and Jimmy Morris make a great team.
rf g-r said:
"Just make a difference in your community and stop worrying about the other person" When the person in question is an elected official it is the duty of all of her/his constituents to be concerned. That being said The election is over and I wish success for my council person.
Anonymous.... said:
Well constituents also have the right to contact his/her elected official and make suggestions if things arent going the way they want to go also...Make an appt with the Field Rep or the elected official if thats what it is going to take.
Anonymous said:
Great idea if she ever returns a phone call. The 72 hour constituent return phone call program is too long and a joke. 3 days to get a response or acknowledgement from her is wishful thinking. Oh ya, it's a lot of work being a councilmember so that's just the way it is. She has time to fly to Washington D.C. but we have to wait 72 hours for a damn return phone call. And that's if we're lucky.
rf g-r said:
I have contacted the field rep and they got back to me in a timely manner. Your Point?
Anonymous said:
I guess that you were one of the priveledged few and lucky ones. Congradulations.
rf g-r said:
Indeed. Thank You. I think you are confused I was responding to the post above yours. Hopefully we will soon be discussing the sept 24 meeting.
Anonymous.... said:
If the 72 hour call is too long then go down to city hall and see them in person..There is no excuse..Anonymous i have came to the conclusin that you just want to be in the position that Mr Robinson has because you eat, drink, and sleep Jacque Robinson..No matter what a person can be talking about it can have nothing to do with her you will just bring her name up out of no where..As long as Jacque has you she dont need a fan club because you are keeping her fresh on everybody's mind everyday..I guess you cant take a trip out of Pasadena so you get jealous when someone else does..Well if you are going to get upset everytime she does something thats called "Just living"..hmmm just wait and see what the future holds because you are going to be sicker than you already are..Also unless you have already been a City Councilperson, which i doubt because you misspelled a few words a few responses back, you can only imagine how hard it really can be day in and day out..I'm speaking from experience...
different anonymous said:
Posting tip for the above anonymous (and reminder to self). Check spelling, grammar and punctuation before you fling arrows at others about same. It is "conclusion", not "conclusin". "She doesn't" not "she dont." Got it?
Anonymous.... said:
Whatever different Anonymous..He or she definately got my point..Now you got it??
different anonymous said:
Further, note to anonymous: it is "definitely" not "definately". Your point is that people should not criticize politicians, right? They only do so because they are jealous, right? Wow. Hope the councilmember is getting some real advice from someone else.
Anonymous... said:
Criticize only if you are willing to step out there and do something yourself..Instead of sitting at a computer and talking about what someone else isnt doing when you arent doing anything youself but running your mouth. Come out October 4th to the AD Hoc Meeting and voice your opinion like you do on here, be the man or woman that you claim to be. I will be right there looking and i bet not one of you on here will step to the podium and speak the same crap that you speak on here..Not in public..Prove me wrong..
anonymous said:
This is a democracy and people can speak up and criticize who they want and when they want. This is as good a forum as any, and better than most. If you personally feel that the Ad Hoc committee is where the best and the brightest will solve the problem of rampant crime against Mexicans and Blacks, including why PDL chose to beat up more than 80 Mexicans for being Mexicans and why the murder rate among Black young men is through the roof, more power to you. Head on. Let us all know what the answer is.
Anonymous... said:
Yeah a democracy where people with the name of Anonymous speak their mind but too scared to say their name...Of course mine is Anonymous also but if i knew who you was oh you would know who i am because i would come and address you face to face on everything you have said in this so called forum you call a democracy...
Anonymous said:
A comment for the threatening "Anonymous". BE A MAN. Don't criticize or threaten others under the allowed anonymous name if you are too ashamed or embarrassed to leave your true identity. You also should take an English 101 course because your language is horrible. 1st graders talk better than you. Proper English IS NOT "if I knew who you was". Try the word "were" and you won't sound as STUPID as you are. Your a freakin' MORON who can criticize other bloggers but can't take the heat yourself. Rather than threaten someone "FACE TO FACE" stay home, read a book and improve your basic language skills. I said read a book, not a Maxim or a Hustler magazine. WHOA, on second thought go ahead and read those 2 because they have lots of pictures and that's about your speed. PEACE OUT.
Anonymous Mexican said:
To the threatening Anonymous. Be real. What Mexican in their right mind is going to participate in your Ad Hoc forum. Come and speak our mind about Sock on Mexican? Right. Neither the elders of the white community nor the elders of the Black community have spoken out about this in outrage as a problem. What did the Black press say about it -- only that the white press reported too often about Sock on Mexican. Pasadena Denver Lane Bloods are a part of the discussion and they will certainly monitor it all to protect their interests. Some people will even be proud if they can get them to the meeting. It is like bringing Don Corleone to a discussion about how to fight the Mafia. Maybe they can give a workshop. Why would I stand up and show my face to them and take them to task when they have beaten 80 of my brothers? Not a safe thing to do, at all. The Ad Hoc committee will address some issues, but I imagine that it will not even touch some of the issues like the fact that a lot of us are not safe in this town, in the street or speaking out at the Committe or even in our true names on this forum. No wonder youth turns to violence when the threats flow so freely even in a forum like this -- quite an example for youth about democracy and discourse. But threaten away, we will speak out where and when we can. Jim Crow had his day and thankfully it ended. Some day this round of oppression and race hatred will end also. We shall overcome.
anonymous... said:
Addressing a person face to face is not threating them. I see now you guys have all the answers and i will let you group of guys comtinue to gossip and vent in this room. Anomymous mexician im sorry about the sock on mexician, one day it will get befter.
Anonymous Mexican said:
To the anonymous above. Thank you for the comment. I appreciate it very much. You did not cause the problem, but you are the first person I have heard say that they are sorry about it. I hope that it gets better and if more people stepped up like you instead of sweeping it under the rug, it could get better more quickly. Thank you again and please pray for all of us.
Anonymous Mexican said:
If Jacque Robinson would take the Sock on Mexican head on at her Ad hoc committee, right out of the gate, it would go a long way to move the community forward. She could say it and it would get it out there where it needs to be. These thugs who are doing it are not doing any of us any favors, and there should not be excuses made for them. 80 plus race hate crimes is a shocking number and it should be a central part of the agenda.
Anonymous said:
That guy making all of the "face to face" threats is a fool. He should also be learning to speak and read by phonics because he sounds pretty dumb. It's a fool like that guy who stifles a meaningful dialogue amongst all involved. BTW, the juries out on Jacque Robinson and she looks bored, put out and arrogant. If the Black Community wanted a smart and articulate representative from the Community they would have supported Rafael Henderson. Man, at this point I would have considered the white guy too.
Anonymous... said:
LOL.. Rafael Henderson...LOL..Anonymous you need to go by his house and hang out with him every Monday and watch Jacque on tv and dream along with him wishing he was in her seat...LOL..I am far from dumb and not even close to a fool..If Jacque Robinson was to run again..Rafael or the so called white guy, who ever that is..Won't and didn't have a chance...Well atleast i know Rafael has one vote for the next election..LOL.. Where will he get the rest of them from?? LOL..LOL..LOL..
Anonymous... said:
Anonymous Mexican good idea. Maybe you should call her office or send them an email and give them your views on SOM. They cant make community changes if the community isnt communicating with them. (626)744-4444 Office
Dave said:
The white guy mentioned in several of the above threads about Rafael Henderson is probably Gordon Treweek. He is a rich Cal Tech educated landlord and engineer. Some have said he is the wealthiest landlord in Pasadena.
Jamaal said:
That Treweek cat was way out of his element at the forum at the Robinson Center. That man shaking from start to finish. The slum lord. Rafael is very smooth, maybe too smooth. He's got it down but he's slippery. He'll still make it a tight race next election. He says it'll be closer than the last one.
do yer job said:
Instead of waiting for us to call 744-4444 she should get to know her district. It is her job. At the last district 1 meeting SOM was treated by the audience as awkward and boring. Everyone knows no one cares.
anonymous... said:
If you believe no one cares why blame one individual? Blame the whole city including yourself. I guess we will have more candidates to vote for in the next election. Hey why dont you run...Since you believe the job is so easy....
Lisa said:
"Threatening Anonymous" seems to be so defensive. Could he or she be related to Ms. Jacque???? Maybe he or she should run too. It is an easy job if: 1. You are SMART 2. You have an experienced field rep who will return calls 3. You return phone calls 4. You aren't imperialistic as she is now 5. Reach out to SMART people and stay away from the likes of JOE C. Hopkins 6. Don't use the opportunity as a stepping stone 7. Keep your promises 8. Give more than you take 9. Lower your nose, the aloof and arrogant demeaner is getting old
do yer job said:
You're right she's perfect. Everyone else is just mean or stupid.
anonymous.... said:
No matter what a person says your guys always have an answer. I wouldnt run because i am not from pasadena, dont live in pasadena, dont see what the big deal is about pasadena anyway. Its ashame Pasadena city of roses but not really that rosey.So keep blogging and not fixing your issues its your city damn sure not mine.

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