A place of their own

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After rowdy start ...

Interesting that Councilman Victor Gordo referenced Marilyn's Backstreet during last night's anti-violence talk-a-thon. I had been thinking of Marilyn's after being copied on a recent exchange between Philip Koebel, Steve Lamb, Michele Zack and others taking place on Rene Amy's PUSDGreatschools group in regards to the Pasadena Underground, the illegally operating club outside of which Ebony Huel was shot last month.

In 1992, I cut and saved the Star-News articles about the closing of the club many of my friends and I enjoyed weekly. Some of my best friends to this day I met there.

It was a cool, well-attended club. Friday, Saturday and Sunday served a different musical genre.

While we could get away with underage smoking in there, there was no alcohol permitted and a lot of security -- they'd kick anyone out for getting out of line.

When Marilyn's closed, that ended hanging out in Pasadena for most of us and we dedicated ourselves more fully to slumming downtown or in Hollywood at clubs we shouldn't have been allowed into, where open drug use was de rigeur.

There is a void in this area for teens to get their party on in a semi-responsible environment, but few are going to have any interest in cracking it up in the church basement or at a city-operated "teen center."

Let's be pragmatic. Teens want a place they can go and feel just a little adult. Independent. A taste of the good life. Have we forgotten how that felt? But as NIMBY, prude and reactive our community has become, I don't think anyone's going to allow a youth-oriented night club to operate that sits on that threshold between both worlds of childhood and adult.

As much lip service gets paid to the needs of children, there is a tremendous amount of youth-phobia driving people's conception of what a teen should and shouldn't be doing. Here's some news: They're going to do it anyway, if they want to.

"Read more" for a scan of the Star-News article (Having just moved it's miraculous I hadn't tossed it yet) and the e-mail exchange regarding a teen outlet.

Philip Koebel to Michele, SSL, marietta, steve.lamb, Jim, carol, joe, Bev, Roberta, Sussy, Justin, Sandra, Randall, allan, Lorie, DFA, George, Jonathon, Mabel, Patty, ctilleman, Walter, James, gilda, sameer, Susan&Roberto Aug 24

My dear esteemed friends and heroes:

Until you make a viable suggestion for Altadena and Pasadena teens to pass the time away on weekend nights, I beg you not to throw stones in glass houses.

Yes, it is indeed tragic that Ebony Huell was shot "outside" the Underground. Yes, the Underground was an attraction for youth - both good and wrong. Yes, modern teen dancing is as outrageous to us adults as Steve Lamb's twisting was to his parents.

Yet, I don't recall that there were calls to close down Washington and Summit when Jamal Varcasia was shot dead at that street corner on a Monday afternoon at 2 pm.

Please consider making the Underground safer - perhaps the Altadena Town Council could chaperone on a rotating basis - rather than shutting down the literally singular youth evening activity in Altadena and Northwest Pasadena.

with peace and respect,

Philip Koebel

On 8/23/07, Michele Zack wrote:
Trouble was just a matter of time. This place had been open only 2
months as I understand, so that's how long it took to get wired in to a
big enough network for problems to become inevitable. What a horrible
shame, and to think someone probably tapped into public money to get
this den of iniquity going. "The rules" say you have to be a member to
go to events, no exceptions, but they were just charging at the door
and advertising on the internet the same way the property owner at 325
Calaveras was — and that led to a shooting and stampede of screaming
people running through neighbors yards. Can't wait for summer to be
over.
Michele
On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:07 PM, SSL wrote:

>> Dear fellow Town Council members and concerned Altadenans-
>>
>> Last week the Grand daughter of Altadena Community ActivistMonroe
>> Huell, Ebony Huell, was shot to death , by some gunman with
>> incredibly bad aim,while waitingfor a friend to bring her admission
>> money to get into a private unlicensed nightclub. This nightclub
>> "The Underground"got funding as a NOT FOR PROFIT, supposedly doing
>> education,but was really just a nightclub operation.
>>
>> As you will be able to tell from clicking on links below, the
>> occupancy of this place was way over packed and there could not have
>> been enforcement of anything like fire codes. Lets just say about the
>> dancing that if one of these girls was your daughter, you wouldnt
>> want her "dancing" like that in public at all and in private with
>> anyone not her husband.....
>>
>> It seems that the City of Pasadena, generally one of the most
>> persnickitty governments known ot mankind, spent a lot of time
>> looking the other way....
>>
>> There clearly was no enforcement of any regulations by the Fire
>> Department, The Police, Building and safety or zoning.
>>
>> From the photographs it seems clear there is no adult supervision.
>>
>> I believe kids need a place ot go and congregate and they probably
>> need a place to play their music and dance. That place needs to be
>> SAFE for them. Its a miracle that there hasnt been more trouble. This
>> place was clearly trouble waiting to happen.
>>
>> The area probably does need a safe place for kids though, and maybe
>> we should proactively as a community, put a safe one together.
>>
>> Steve Lamb
>>
>> http://insidesocal.com/pasadenapolitics/2007/
>> 08pasadena_underground.html#more
>>
>>
>> http://www.myspace.com/pasadenaunderground
>>

Click the pic for the full scan.
After rowdy start ...

Footnote: If you look in the upper right, over the shoulder of Richie mugging for the camera, is one of many photocopied faces Bobby Trendy festooned the club with that night. I'd gotten there early and, if I recall correctly, got suckered into taping a couple up. His wiki entry pretends he's younger than me ... yahright.

Marilyn herself was there that last night handing out tickets, obviously infirm, but committed to the club.

26 Comments

Kristen said:
When I was a youngin', we had a place calls Moggs, which was the Ventura County version of Marilyns. It was a place teens could get into a lot of trouble if they wanted to. Drugs, back room BJ's, alcohol, and who knows what else. Me? I just like being there listening to Siouxsie, Bauhaus, and Alien Sex Fiend. Eventually Moggs got shut down for similar reasons. Same thing happened when the punk rock coffee shop "Cafe Insomniac" opened. It was an all night coffee house where bands played. Shut down for being "rowdy" - although as I recall, it was pretty tame. I find it amusing that in all the years since Elvis started gyrating his pelvis, there are still the same sort of adults who just can't figure out what to do with those pesky teens. We want teens to be safe, but we don't want them to have any fun. Like you said, teens will find a way to do it anyway...so why not provide a safe haven? Teens are a pretty resourceful bunch. If they want to do drugs and have sex, they'll figure out a way. The point no one seems to be talking about it what role do parents take? I went to crazy teen hang outs and didn't do drugs, have sex, or get into fights. Both parents worked, my mom had two jobs. My dad was also an alcoholic. I turned out OK because despite it all, my parents raised me well and taught me to stay out of trouble - for the most part. It's sad that a girl got killed, but don't blame the venue, blame the parents of the person who shot her.
Anonymous said:
"As much lip service gets paid to the needs of children, there is a tremendous amount of youth-phobia driving people's conception of what a teen should and shouldn't be doing. Here's some news: They're going to do it anyway, if they want to." When I was young I had no place to go and it made a hole in my life as well as those of my peers. Now that I am middle aged I still understand the need for a safe space for kids to hang out and to figure things out. Heck they need a place to have fun, we all do. Music, dancing and loud fun on weekend nights does not scare me............DRIVE BY (s) scare the hell out of me. Therein lies the rub. I would never want a club like the defunct "Underground" anywhere near my home, and judging by the council meeting last night neither did the folks who lived next to the Underground. Legitimate concerns are not bogus fears. Labeling the legitimate concerns of homeowners as fear is just as mistaken as assuming all kids are thugs. Most Kids are just kids, and most adults want the best for them. Let's start discussing how we can accomplish it.
Sinyc said:
Would Marilyn's have been as much fun if it had been located at the northern end of Lincoln AVE.? I don't think so. The trip down memory lane is fun but has little bearing on the present situation, why not wax nostalgic for a return to dancing on MV3 (weekdays on channel 9 as I recall)while Richard Blade Spun the New Wave hits? I don't ever recall Flock of Seagulls Talk Talk or Big Country ever singing about popping a cap in someone's..............
Alex said:
Kids are scary, in the “what the hell do we do with them” kind of way - but seriously, enough. Between the City, the school district, every church, youth sports, scouts, employment, doing homework and friends how much more is there? Do we really have to make activities available to this spoiled class of citizens every second of the day? I would love to have my very own “Julie McCoy” as my cruise director and not have to have an original thought - but where does it end? You could browse the community calendar and find something every single day for kids to do within the City, or at their schools, not to mention homework. It isn't a lack of activities; it’s a lack of motivation. Are we really failing the children of Pasadena if the only time we don't offer some managed/City sponsored activity is between 11p-3am? I have children a bit younger than those being discussed but I see the patterns forming in the schools that weren't there when I was in PUSD. Let's make them feel good about their choices, we can't have Valentine's because children will feel left out, competition is out because someone will lose and feel bad, no running on the blacktop because someone could fall and skin their knee...AND??!? So what if they feel left out, or skin their knee? They will get up and learn how to survive - this generation of kids is so spoiled and catered to and...enough! At some point when are the grown ups going to start acting like the grown ups. Everything the City needs to do to address this is already in place. They have a curfew, there are crimes to arrest kids for and parents need to stop being their children's friends and be their parents.
Dormitas said:
If Pasadena Underground was legal, safe, and properly secured it wouldn't draw the crowds it did. There are other places in town for kids to go, just none where lawlessness prevailed. Unacceptable behavior on the part of some "kids" is tolerated when it shouldn't be. Those same "kids" create an atmosphere of fear, intimidation and acceptance of illegal activity. The issue isn't where kids can hang out. It's why their behaviors are allowed or accepted when they should not be tolerated under any circumstances. I don't care what the apologistic enablers say, behaving like a gangster isn't cool and shouldn't be tolerated period. PUSD needs to enforce strict behavior codes for every kid. Police need to not turn a blind eye to any kid who behaves illegally or threatens the safety of another. We all need to know the kids on our block and make them feel welcome and appreciated for positive things and let them know we don't tolerate bad behavior. It's not about having a place for kids to go. It's about how they behave and whether rules are enforced. D.
Good post, Todd. I also found it amusing Marilyn's came up a few times during the City Council meeting. I wish I had a time machine.
I'd also have to agree Pasadena seems to have a "don't trust anyone UNDER 30" attitude sometimes.
I did drugs, had sex, and got into fights and I turned out awesome.
rf g-r said:
I'd also have to agree Pasadena seems to have a "don't trust anyone UNDER 30" attitude sometimes. Of course they do! The under 30s have no money. If you are 28 years old and want to pay 850k for a bungalow then you will be welcomed with open arms. As well you should be as you will now be contributing to the property tax base.
I forgot that how much money dictates what kind of person you are. Wait, isn't Phil Spector financially loaded?
Anonymous said:
Money doesn't dictate the type of person you are. It is the thing that dictates where you can afford to live. Folks with money are no better than you or me they may often times be worse, yet they don't need the city to provide amusements for them. I took a psych course a couple of years ago and the big topic about modern adolescents back then was how they were overbooked and stressed out with too little time. I pointed out to the instructor that some kids have real problems like dodging bullets on the way to school which is a lot worse than having soccer practice conflict with your French tutor's schedule. As for Phil, you gotta love that wall of sound.
rf g-r said:
Previous post is mine. I hit preview too early. Just excited I guess.
That wall of sound is indeed impressive.
Karina said:
Thank God someone actually cares for teens now! I am 16 and of course I want to have fun but all we have to do here in Pasadena is the Paseo Colorado and Old Town. What are we supposed to do other than roam around and basically do nothing. And it seems that every few months or so it gets even more dangerous at paseo considering more teens who are in gangs go there. I've seen countless times in which african american teens harass latino teens and that is a nasty fight waiting to happen. We need a place in which we can fully develop ourselves. It isn't fair. I know this sounds extremely childish to say but its true. At 16 we are allowed to work, therefore we must be responsible to some degree. We, or at least teens who want a future, have the responsibility to get good grades in order to even begin to compete in the world. The pressures we face in our life is overwhelming. Most of us don't get home until 9pm. We have sports, school, orchestras, clubs, work, musicals, dance, etc. that we must juggle and do extremely well in. So isn't it a right for us to have something that we can just forget the world in general? All we basically have is the No Future Cafe but that is open just fridays at night, and due to my parents constant worrying I also have curfew. 16 is the point in life when you are almost touching the rights you gain as an adult, when you are treated "like an adult" even tried as an adult in court for any misdemeanors/felonies, yet in these things, we are treated as non-existent human beings. So what is the point in keeping us locked up because when you do, all we want to do is rebel. That is human nature. All you have to do is look at history. In fact, just take a quick peek at the 60s that was a revolution in itself. My generation is very poor in culture. We do not have the strength to stand up for what we believe in. You rarely see teens, except during the May Immigration Rallies, that actually go out and protest. I have always wanted to but have always been pulled back by the "what if I get in huge trouble?" or "will this affect my chance to getting into the college that I want?" And I know what I just said may sound irrelevant but it truly is not. What did past generations have that we don't have? A way that they could escape. Truthfully, I am very scared and saddened by the course my generation has taken. We NEED a place for ourselves. A place we can be ourselves and free ourselves. A place where we can be teenagers. So, I implore to everyone that reads this and to anyone willing to fight for us, please just look at it from our eyes, and I don't think it was too long ago. Remember all the things that made you...well, you and see that we don't have that. Thank you so much for posting this, at least someone in Pasadena thinks about us once in a while...
rf g-r said:
You sound very lucky to have the parents you do. Being 16 over-scheduled and broke sucks. Please keep working hard to get into the college of your choice, when you do you will see everything change. Good luck.
And call me when you're 18.
Karina said:
hahaha thank you to both of you. In response to rf g-r I will definitely keep working hard because I would love to get into Claremont McKenna or USC and study international relations.
That's smart. Like an idiot, I didn't go to college until I was like..22...so...keep at it..and you'll end up making far more money than I'm making.
Kelly said:
If Aaron's libido cannot be checked, Pasadena will never be saved.
rf g-r said:
Don't overlook the excellent UC system. Great education for a fraction of the price of the schools you mentioned. I know this for a fact as a I married a Bruin.
Doesn't that just make me hotter, Kelly? :-)
Besides, if we were in France - I'd be Mayor by now. :-)
Karina said:
yeah definitely. I plan to apply for almost all colleges here in southern California so I'm am definitely up for UC schools. I also heard Cal States were even cheaper than UCs but I have to look into that one
Mr. Thursday Morning said:
karina, your voice needs to be heard by the council. They are not hearing enough from the people living it. Call your council person.
Monica said:
Thanks for the trip down memory lane with the Marilyn's article, as well as your post noting longtime friendships born there, the underage smoking by, um, some clubgoers. Hmmm ... :)
Steve Lamb said:
Sadly, my interest in having the community get together and make a safe place for kids went no place. It became a community committe run by Pasadena devoted to finding funding for various not for profits, doing more studies about why kids are so unhappy (Aaron has it right, they have no money and therefore no place in the town they grew up in) So now the energy is diffused, nothing is done, the kids have no where to go. Aaron is right again in that there was all this panic over Marylns at the time when it was open, but it was a good place for kids.

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