OCTOMOM CARRIES WEIGHTS; GRANDMA ANGELA MAKES BROWNIE MIX

Do you think Nadya knows how to turn on the oven? Hope she hides those weights, would hate for one of the older kids to find them and "play" inappropriately.

Octorazzi - so what's the deal on Octogranny's house, still in foreclosure; did she pay past due arrears with the money from the the RO video; has the house been repaired from damage caused by Nadya's kids; was Aiden there or just Elijah/Amerah/JJ...

I bet it was nice for those kids to spend the day with Octogranny and have the focus on them for a change. Bet they didn't want to go home...

Ahhhh.. nice family interaction photos!

I noticed that Grandma is still living in her home in Whittier, so I did a little research. Don’t worry, Grandma is not going to lose her house. She also took advantage of the little opportunities (Radar interviews - 2/9 & 2/24) and from what was said, earned $40,000 for herself. This was more than enough to pay the mortgage payments due on the house.

Documents dated Feb. 5 say Angela Suleman has 90 days to work out a new agreement with her mortgage company. After 90 days, Suleman must pay the balance of her mortgage, $453,750 initially in 2006, to keep her home from sale in an auction.

She has until 05/05/09. I’m sure she will make the deadline.

Good for her. I'm glad she saved her home.

where is ed living?

You people are so gullible. Has she saved her home? Just because she got RO money doesn't mean she paid her mortgage. No doubt Nadya had her in debt in many places other than the house. I wish Angela well and if she wants to keep the home, I hope she's able to. However, if I were her I'd let the house go and move into a studio apartment. That way Nadya would know she's on her own.

Before you start "high fiving" each other why don't you get the facts.

Actually, I read on another site that payments were brought up to date...so no foreclosure. From what I read, I thought the house was going up for auction May5 and if that's true, wouldn't she have had to vacate by now???

Just read octomom's response to sons black eye and bite marks. She said I think it happened at school. What does she mean she thinks, she doesn't know how her son got a black eye and bite marks. Come on, how can you not know by 2 days later? In that amount of time she should know how it happened. This is so dissapointing. Did I miss anything about how it happened?

Nadya believes the "black eye" happened at school and her 2 year old(Caleb) bit him. Although, she doesn't know how the black eye happened at school. Yeah, one would think she would ask the teacher about it?! It's great that octogranny gets to have the children at her home!

I imagine that Angela took the older children home with her after she confronted RUDE Nadya about the article in the newspaper concerning Aiden and how the lawyer responded. I am sure she was very embarrassed that it showed up in her hometown newspaper. She also wanted to know how it happened and Nadya could not tell her. Because she does not know! What a great mother!

Actually, Nadya did not have the time nor inclination to talk to her mother! After all, she was FILMING! LOL

Radar Online is not her friend. Notice the pan around of the camera to show the mess of toys?

Also in the RO video of the CPS incident, she says the teacher sent home a note and she did not read it and respond. So the teacher was mandated to call CPS.

NOW she is saying ... that SHE sent a note to the teacher.

Just another example of how she twists the truth all the time.

Why didn't Angela wait to confront her daughter until RO was gone. She obviously knew she was being filmed. As a mother and grandmother I certainly wouldn't raise such a sensitive issue in front of those cameras. Nadya did intially ask her to wait but Angela wasn't about to wait. There are definitely two sides to that relationship and Angela aint no Angela in the way she keeps trashing her daughter for the public!

It bothers me that Nadya wouldn't even address her mother when Angela was trying to talk to her about the CPS incident. Nadya was too busy talking to the Radar guy. I, for one, don't believe her when she says the CPS worker told her the investigation is over....

One could only hope that this matter is taken care of, but who knows, you can not believe one word coming from Octomom's mouth! Yes, it takes a while to train a child, especially when you don't have the time to do it and you have lots of people in your home that shouldn't be there-meaning RO!

I don't think Angela was aware that RO was taping the entire time and was genuinely concerned of the CPS visit and media implications.

I'm starting to think one of the best ways to help this situation may very well be to get Super Nanny in there, at least once per year, and let it be taped so that the family can get some money to keep them off welfare, and in the process maybe get some structure and training into that household. I think involving Angela as a key support person and a steady staff of nannies would be great to partner with Nadya, even on the show.

Next best to Super Nanny and likely more realistic - consistent CPS oversight. Unannounced, periodic visits could help keep Nadya in line.

I also think she is getting close to revealing OctoDad, but I am concerned that she expresses that "it's not about me, it's not about him, it is for the kids, to know their other side". I don't think that is fair to a person that other than trying to help a friend, was signing up for no other life obligation. That would be like insisting that a blood or bone marrow donor is responsible for having a relationship with the donee.

I hate to confess I am impressed with how well she is holding up under the circumstances. I do believe this woman genuinely loves her children and all things considered has a remarkably positive attitude and approach. (Sure, it could be that she is heavy in denial or delusion, but she has not broken down yet.)

I wish the best for this family. Nadya sure is not conventional or popular, but I do think her and her parents would do anything to make sure those kids all stay in her custody.

I wish for her children that for their sake, the hatred for their mother disolves and perhaps some of these companies can reach out to offer goods and services directly for and to the children.

For Nadya I wish a good life coach and fiscal custodian - for the family's sake.

This is just my opinion. I am neither a Nadya fan or a Nadya hater, just an observer who hopes this woman does NOT fail, for her children's sake.

Can we really believe that she has a degree in child development, or any degree for that matter. I would have to see proof before I believe anything she says.

I'm more convinced than ever that most of her annoying mannerisms and story inconsistencies are due to her Attention Deficit Disorder with maybe a little Tourettes thrown in.

I used to think she knit her eyebrows when asked a question to show her disapproval of the question or imply the ridiculousness of the question. Now I'm more inclined to believe its a physical manifestation of her attempt at concentration or an attempt at trying very hard to focus.

Notice how she blinks her eyes (tics as associated with Tourettes) and nods her head but seems never to have fully heard or understood the question. When asked for clarification she becomes frustrated and thats when her speech and gestures become exagerated.

I think she is showing signs of strain, those being the ones mentioned. The tics seem worse at times when she's being interviewed and trying to multitask.

She completely dismisses her mother because mom is a "familiar" she doesn't need to waste her focus on her.

I don't think she remembers her story from one day to the next so maybe she's not intentionally lying, maybe she was just not fully "plugged in" when she was saying it so she doesn't remeber it. Beyond that, it seems that if she analyzes a situation afterwards and feels that there might be a version that would make her look better she changes the story without recognizing that it might be a problem for others who do remember.

Remember how Munoz said that explaining something to Nadya was very difficult. He said something that should take 20 minutes to hear and understand would take hours of discussion with her.

On top of these neurological problems there are probably some personality disorders involved too but this is all conjecture. To say the least, she's a very complicated mix of a whole host of problems. Anyway, just my opinion.

I really don't think anyone could be that obnoxious on purpose. I find watching her almost painful.

I have to say, I would be rattled with the combination of noise, kids running around and being interrogated in front of a camera as she is with RO. If it wasn't for the money, I would have them out the door in a hurry.

She speaks/answers in circles. Never gives a drect answer to a question. I think it's her way of getting out of a situation. I also think that she was aware of the black eye and biting issue but ignored it as being ok, since it's the norm for her son to bite. Her concern should with the interactions between the older kids and the babies. I undertand that nannies are their to help raise them, but it only takes a second for an incident to happen, especially when they reach the age that they are no longer in their cribs...you know, the terrible 2's. She has biter and obviously she's done nothing to correct that behaviour. Sad, sad, sad.

Two observations:

1. Angelia, while unaware of the RO filming going on , suggested to Nadya that she should have stated that the black eye incident occurred at school, regardless of what the truth was. She was not concerned at all about the incident itself, and Aiden's wellbeing, but rather about damage control to NS parenting skills image.

2. Nadya knew about the bitting incident one or two days before she was paid a visit by child services. I think the RO video where she discusses her past bitting habits, and specifically mentions that a few of her kids bite as well, was a preemption attempt to explain away the biting accident that she knew has occurred, and may pop up in the media. Why else would she suddenly recall this mundane fact that was not at all related to the questions presented to her?

Am I the only one who is bothered by the seeming lack of concern over Aiden's injuries? She keeps changing stories and doesn't seem to know how he got a black eye.

The video of the argument with her mom is just so typical. She never lets her mom finish a sentence. Instead of listening and responding to her mom's concerns, Nadya keeps turning to the camera man to talk to him.

The whole "disassociate" with her parents thing is bull. She doesn't want them around because they tell her 'no'. She doesn't like that word. I hope for the sake of the children, Angela and Ed stay in their lives. They seem to me to be the only stablizing influence the children have.

I think she is on Crystal METH. She rambles, never stops moving, and twitches all over the place.
When she speaks, she zones out and she rapidly repeats herself over and over again. For example when she did the 911 call because SHE (not the nanny or grandma) lost son JJ; when she argues with Angela on the RO video interviews; when she is dressing one of the babies and says, I promise I promise I promise...; when she is denying stripping and says, I never ever ever ever ever ever ever. How could her kid's not develop impulsive behaviours- they see and hear her flying all over the place. Perhaps, that would explain the behaviour problems in the older kids- they are in a VERY unstable & unsupervised environment with absolutely no discipline.
Repeating "gentle, gentle" over and over is not structure or discipline.
Any drug addict or a mentally deficient parent can cause a child to develop ADHD and learning disabilities. Or, they can raise unruly brats. I believe what she says about causing poor little Aiden's autism, except that she was using drugs instead of the large amounts of coffee as she has stated.

Have we seen any video of Nadya feeding her children at the table? Why does a mother flit about the room with a plate of food in her hand and occasionally stop by the bed to feed the children. In fact I did not see them eat anything. She should have a regular mealtime with the older children seated at the table with her. I really think Nadya is ADHD or she is either on drugs or maybe both.

i just watched the RO video of Nadya discussing the CPS visit in her bedroom.

This is what I see: The room has 3 cribs and a large bed. Nadya is holding a plate of food in one hand, utensils in the other. Her back is to Aiden,3 and Caleb,2 while her attention is to the camera and an interviewer who is asking questions about a child neglect/abuse report that for any mother would be a very big deal.

WTF#1: It appears her task is feeding the children. Not clear whether she just follows them around and shovels it in or if the usual practice is to feed them on the bed.

WTF#2: If her task is to feed the children, I'm confused why she [and RO] is choosing this time for a sensitive interview. She seems NOT distracted from the task of feeding her children by RO, but IS DISTRACTED BY HER CHILDREN IN DOING THIS INTERVIEW!

WTF#3: After Caleb whacks Aiden while his Moms attention is on the camera, Caleb advances on the camera [now in HIS face] and whacks it. Mom apologizes TO THE CAMERA[!][that is in the two year old's face during his "dinner" in his bedroom with a camera crew for a national audience] and and declares that this baby is aggressive!

C'mom RO!!! Nadya's deficits are grossly apparent, and as the only adults in the room you should have turned off the cameras, apologized to the children for contributing to the chaos and left.

Nadya: Watch the video! People with attentional issues can learn to self monitor.

Also, consider purchasing a dinner table instead of a air hockey table. The 7 of you should sit down together at least once a day, even just for milk and cookies, as an act of commitment to creating a cohesive family.

Hi NsGramma

You said:

NCGramma | May 1, 2009 9:50 AM | Reply
Can we really believe that she has a degree in child development, or any degree for that matter. I would have to see proof before I believe anything she says.

MOI:

My husband and I saw a program on T.V. recently showing how you can BUY degrees on line, not hard to do at all..JUST some CASH and or credit card and VOILA a degree in psychology, or A degree in Business. ETC.

So what your saying I certainly agree with. I want to see PROOF also and from the COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY She claims she got it from..I wouldn't trust her further than I can spit in a high wind.

I have noticed her obvious LACK of parenting skills, Especially the fact that they (the children) don't listen to her AT ALL. I also noticed the children do NOT respond to her phony attempts at affection. As a matter of fact the children seem 'UNCOMFORTABLE' with her attention, as though they aren't used to it. I never EVER see them hugging her or planting a kiss on her. My daughter used to be glued to me. That's what makes me question the LACK of affection FROM them TO her.

I can't believe that 'MAKING A BROWNIE'is even news worthy. Which one of us grammas don't bake for their grandchildren 100 times a month? Don't we all wish we had a penny for EACH and every bit of baking we've done/do? BIG DEAL!

Honestly, I can't imagine there would be enough room in that house for a kitchen table. 15 people (plus nannies, plus R.O. people) in a 2800 sq. ft house is one tight fit!

It would be nice to sit down and eat though. That little bit of structure is immensely helpful to kids.

The more i see of this family via Radar Online the more concerned I become. This families' needs and adjustments are too many and too complex to add an exploitative film crew to the mix.

Radar Online needs to leave. Only family and people involved in child care should be allowed in this HOME.

Nadya is too distracted around a camera. When there is a child and a camera, the camera always wins.

When we started school we weren't allowed to eat until dad got home from work and after he had his three stiff drinks. We were so hungry, we wanted to eat the plaster off the walls. When us older kids were off to college, my younger sister got to eat before dad got home. She was allowed to eat hot dogs in front of the TV every day after school. My mother was too worn out by then to care. Yeah there was a lot of mental and physical abuse in our home growing up. I watch Nadya with her kids and read the complaints from the Nadya haters about how bad a parent she is. Man, I would have loved to be a kid growing up in her home.

Both extremes are forms of child abuse Jake.

din't angela even say the kids ate in shifts cause there were too many to eat at the table?

Not EVERY home makes mealtime and UNPLEASANT experience.
Yeah here we wait till hubby comes home..That also is done in MOST homes, waiting to eat together. Father's work. That's why you had food on the table. And we mom's try to make the best possible meals for our families. If the kids didn't want to eat dinner that was also fine, the next meal would be breakfast. :) But we do sit together for EVERY meal.
It's not a good thing when you have kids running around the house eating, and dropping food and spilling drinks all over the house.. That creates a lot more work for the mother. And it's just NOT necessary to allow that. Kids NEED to sit down and eat a nutritional meal, they learn good table manners also. It's not even healthy for children to RUN around while eating. The kitchen table is a good place for staying in touch with each other. It's wrong to allow one or two of the children to eat in front of the T.V. and to eat before the father came home, very unfair to the ones who have to wait. There should be NO favoritism with the children in the family. It should always be well balanced.
Some mom's make a habit of cooking different foods at different times for fussy kids. That is a lot of work for nothing. I guess I should've said I know of ONE mother who does that..Then she wonders why she's in the kitchen hours on end.
How awful it must have been for you..
In Canada I don't know of any families (or know families) that don't sit together, that still a most important part of our day here, and it's fun to be together and share stories from our day. WE still enjoy mealtimes together..Thank God we do..