Xubuntu vs. Debian Lenny with Xfce

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I've done this sort of thing before, but luckily somebody else is comparing the Xfce environments of Debian Lenny and Xubuntu/Ubuntu.

Results are not surprising and are in line with what I found over a year ago when I did a major comparison of everything from Xubuntu and Debian to Slackware and gOS, as well as Wolvix and standard Ubuntu.

Back then, Slackware and Debian with Xfce are indeed very, very fast systems. And while I didn't test them at the time, I expect ZenWalk and Vector with Xfce to perform as well or better.

That said, I've always liked the look of Xubuntu (especially in the 7.04-7.10 era), but it does run a good deal slower than other Xfce-equipped systems — and in fact didn't do much better than Ubuntu with GNOME in my test. Thus I've pretty much just used Ubuntu when I want it, although I did have some issues with crashing on my Gateway laptop that appeared at the time to be solved by adding Xubuntu to the install and running Xfce instead. (Since then, we've been running Ubuntu with GNOME — version 8.04 — on the Gateway, and it has been running very well.)

Despite all of this, I still have two Ubuntu 8.04 installations running right now. Sure Debian and Slackware are faster, but I'm quite happy running GNOME, and I find performance in Ubuntu more than acceptable. But what keeps me running Ubuntu is the ease of installation, configuration (I'm running with no xorg.conf — and perfect video out of the box — on both installs) and patching of the system. Despite all the talk of Ubuntu shipping before everything is "right," I can't remember suffering from a broken app or feature in recent memory. And it seems that even if a new app isn't available for some reason in the Ubuntu repository, the developers behind it are quick to create a package that's designed to run in Ubuntu (even though I prefer to run what's in Ubuntu's own repository).

All things being equal, I prefer Debian, but since Lenny all things have not been equal on my Gateway and Toshiba laptops (both made around 2002-3), with which I've had unsolvable video issues in both Lenny and at least on the Gateway in Slackware as well. No amount of tweaking xorg.conf, installing new drivers, etc., would make Debian Lenny play well with the Intel video in the Gateway, and when a quick Lenny install on the Toshiba brought up the same issue, I ran quickly to the welcoming, trouble-free arms of Ubuntu. Of course OpenBSD 4.4 is running virtually trouble-free on my second, identical Toshiba Satellite 1100-S101 laptop, and if OpenBSD can get xorg running perfectly with no configuration (and no xorg.conf needed), you'd think that Debian and Slackware could do the same.

In all fairness, I haven't tried Slackware again since 12.2 came out, so maybe things have changed, and I also haven't tried Lenny since it went stable (my experience was during the three or so months leading up to that point). Put simply, Ubuntu worked, so I use it.

And as I've also said before, many of the replies to requests for help in the Ubuntu Forums might be less than helpful, but the sheer volume of those messages means that finding the answer to your question/solution to your problem not just for Ubuntu but also for Debian is easier than you might think.

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flufferbeer Author Profile Page said:

I get the gist of this piece as a preference for Xfce Ubuntu 9.04 over Debian Lenny, Slackware, and other distros which use Xfce ......although (with the "in all fairness" clauses) either Xfce Lenny 5.0.1, Slackware 12.2+patches, ZenWalk, or Vector *could* be better/faster than Ubuntu, n'est pas????? All in all, seems like a hesitant approval for Ubuntu in any case. Also, I think this review is understandably but decidedly skewed towards PC (Intel x86) Xfce installs as opposed to 64-bit PC (AMD64) and Mac (PowerPC) Xfce installs. For Mac PowerPC platforms, at least, there are already available now Xubuntu 9.04 and Debian Lenny 5.0.1 Xfce+Lxde. I for one, would certainly be keenly interested in how these latter two distros compare with one another on Macs! I think it likely that others will be equally interested in this comparison for their AMD64 systems as well.

I'm a huge, huge, huge fan of Debian on PowerPC. On my Mac G4/466, Debian Etch was one of the easiest installs I've ever done. And Etch seemed "tuned" for the G4; everything worked perfectly with no intervention on my part.

I'll have to try the xfce+lxde install of Debian at some point. That sounds like a good combination of window managers.

I don't know how they're outfitting it now, but Debian with Xfce, if you choose that as your desktop environment and not GNOME, you get a very different mix of tools. No Synaptic, for instance. It's either apt or Aptitude, as I recall from Etch. I can't remember if there are any GUI tools for network configuration.

And another thing: with Xfce in Debian, you get OpenOffice by default, whereas in Xubuntu you get Abiword + Gnumeric. It's easy to get the office software you want in either installation, but I kind of liked having OO with Xfce in Debian. For awhile I actually ran OO Writer in 64 MB RAM on a 233 MHz CPU. It didn't run great, but it ran OK. Iceweasel, on the other hand, was another matter entirely in those specs. It'll run, but not terribly well.

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